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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host and we have got a heck

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of a show for you this evening we have

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john ramirez

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uh he has

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been on a few shows lately i wanted to

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get

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him on right away luckily i was able to

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get him for tonight

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a former cia he's shown me documents i

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know it's hard to prove someone um was

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in the cia he also i'll show later on

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he shared on my friend over in l.a uh

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lewis he shared on his show the other

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day unidentified celebrity review

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his uh medal of uh the award he had for

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years of service with central

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intelligence so uh anyway he's uh

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there's no problem with his background

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it's a very interesting story

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and i'm really excited to talk to him

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and he really does know his his

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background inside and out which was uh

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ballistic missiles and uh we can be

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talking a little bit about that just to

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hear some really interesting facts a

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couple things uh i decided to resurrect

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um the everything else show for those of

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monday every monday i was running a show

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about other things other topics

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which i love doing it's just i did not

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have the time and so i thought about

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this the other day and thought about why

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not i do that show again on other topics

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on this youtube channel only

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the great blogs that charles does by the

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way this week it is a woman this is a

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recent ufo

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uh experience that happened supposedly

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to a woman happened back in november

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17th and the title to this week's blog

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is a woman

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uh transported by a ufo in argentina so

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check that out

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um thank you chris lambright i just got

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a note from him pretty funny uh so

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anyway

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uh

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uh the everything else show is gonna be

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resurrected it's gonna be different and

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how the way i can do that this time is

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that i'm not going to worry about

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having a show on a particular night i'm

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and i already have a couple people lined

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up i have a what i think is going to be

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an interesting show it may not be

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interesting to a lot of people but i

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made a friend in russia he speaks

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perfect english she actually went to

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school in maine the the state that i

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live in

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and uh i was talking to him recently

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about the corruption in russia because

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uh it's really

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very very interesting

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so i asked some i said hey would you

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can i interview you about this this is

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fascinating and just the way it works

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over there and how

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um the trickle down of this uh

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corruption works it's really really

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fascinating i hope he doesn't get in

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trouble but uh by talking about it but

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he's going to be on the show on the 27th

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a couple days after christmas which is a

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monday i believe at two o'clock in the

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afternoon because it's convenient for

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him as far as the timing goes and

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they're i believe eight hours behind so

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anyway if you if you click the subscribe

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uh they're going to be on random days

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but i will be talking on all kinds of

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topics on not related to ufos maybe this

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is going to be some crossover but anyway

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that uh just keep that in mind it's uh i

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i enjoy these other topics and i'd like

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to talk

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to people about them

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uh i think that's going to be it next

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week's guest is shane hurd but uh before

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i move on to our guests i do want to say

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one thing at the break at the top of the

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hour we have a four-minute clip of a

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gentleman from mystic connecticut

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talking about

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his ufo encounter when he was 17.

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the full version of that is going to be

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released at midnight and i gotta tell

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you

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i'm going to put the link of that

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in the show notes and also going to post

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it under this youtube video

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the link to that but it is an amazing

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encounter i haven't heard something like

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uh i've never heard anything like it

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before and

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it's fascinating uh so check that out

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that will be released at midnight

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there's a four minute clip where he only

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gets into describing the craft itself

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and i kind of have to cut him off

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because it took four minutes to get

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there so uh you're going to want to

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check that clip out um on this youtube

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channel

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and his name is albert wayne and you'll

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see the clip up uh anyway check that out

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so that's it that's enough blabbing for

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me i just appreciate all that support

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patreon a link is right there and thanks

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so much everyone for watching our show

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and here comes our guest welcome to the

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show john

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hi martin thanks for having me on

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yes john uh thank you very much uh and i

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have listened to a couple different

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shows i'm very fascinated

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by uh by you and i guess you know with

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your cia background

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first of all i guess the first thing i

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want to ask you before we get into

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anything is at this point what made you

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decide to start talking about this well

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actually 2017 was the pivotal year i

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think in ufology with the release of the

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tic tac video and the other videos that

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bought into the asap narrative starting

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everything

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and then a tip all sap no matter what

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the alphabet soup might have been

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the actual interest by the government

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has always existed and everyone knows

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that but the really deep down deep dive

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into this entire subject

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occurred when we were able to actually

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see these orbs

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through sensors we have deployed in

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space

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and before that

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we've had like videos of craft and

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pictures of craft and we've all seen

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these these videos and pictures and we

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have eyewitness accounts so here was an

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instance where the us government through

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sensors in space

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uh has seen these orbs in flight

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and so that really elevated the

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discussion within the government that

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these are not just metallic craft

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visiting us but these are

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transportation if you will

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fact the

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working group that

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was established

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to deep dive into these orbs

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that fact was missing from the narrative

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and so when i went to cia with my

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presentation

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and granted the first part of that

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basically nuts and bolts into

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itself a lot of alphabet soup of

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different agencies

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three letter agencies and whatnot

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part where i wanted to

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introduce what would the

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ic today

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encounter through our sensor systems

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and i expect that to be completely

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redacted but it wasn't and so i was

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surprised and so that led me to do my

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own further research into let's go back

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to uh right after world war ii

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and why was roswell such a secret if it

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a spacecraft from another world not

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earth and it had beings from another

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world not earth wouldn't that be of

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scientific interest

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why was that

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a military secret and so i did a die for

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myself into that and then discovered the

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links between

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uh the government and um the

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nazis that were here who were

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uh more involved in the esoteric side of

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the nazi philosophy and i introduced the

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uh an interview and their quest to find

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the roots of the aryan race

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the atlanteans

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and what they uh

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wrote about and so that documentation

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seemed to have been transferred from

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uh the germans to the americans through

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an organization

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that was charged with finding like

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archives and evidence and finding the

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scientists and so forth

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and already it was established in

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january of 1946 this central

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intelligence group the predecessor to

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cia but the successor to the oss and so

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the cig was already in place

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um as part of the national security

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state of the united states

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when roswell happened and did that play

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a role in like

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squashing the story

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and for what reason

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um and so from there um

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i went i went into

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uh various other uh studies that the

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government did in terms of the dome of

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light phenomena and from there i jumped

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into what i learned at a

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meeting it wasn't a conference it's more

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of a one-day symposium

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at a hotel that was unclassified it's

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hard for me to believe that it was

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unclassified

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and i was able to enter

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as i stated with my cell phone with no

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id whatsoever

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no badges

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completely open inside this conference

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room was not a skiff and to hear what i

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heard and said okay there's

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something to this story and they related

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to the fact that they went back to after

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world war ii

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um for this hybrid story and they didn't

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present any evidence so when they say i

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have no evidence i agree with you i

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don't have any evidence

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all i have is

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these two top officials

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saying that

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the cia has been interested in the

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hybridization of humans and that

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discovered alien dna in the human genome

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that's what they told me

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so

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if i get permission to use their names

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and they're still alive if i get

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permission to use their names then that

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offers another avenue for researchers to

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actually knock on their doors and ring

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their phones to say hey you know

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where's the evidence how did you know

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this yourself

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that they told me and others in that

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room

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uh

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about alien dna

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and so that's where i'm at right now

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um and in conjunction with that uh i

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wanted to

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get my medical records from cia

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and as a separate process it's not a

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foia process for employees or former

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employees of cia we go through a

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different internal channel

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where we can self-identify as cia

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officers because i have a secret number

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i was at i said that's not

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double-oh-seven but there is a number

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that they can look up and then actually

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say yeah this guy is cia

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and so i requested my medical records

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and i'm still waiting on them they

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acknowledge receiving my request

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and i'm just still waiting on them to

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deliver to me my medical records i want

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to see what my medical records might say

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about

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any kind of high strangeness that cia

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found

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huh now when you say that

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these the hybrid

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situation you know that's what that's

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what a lot of people are getting stuck

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on when they're watching you but when

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you're saying that um i just wanted to

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clear something up because it was a

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little confusing to me and that is

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are you saying that there's

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hyper uh the hybrids are from

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1946 or 47 forward or are you saying

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that's when you discovered something

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that's when the government discovered

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that the human genome contained alien

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dna

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and and how i just i'm not a scientist

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in any type of way but how would they

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know alien from

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i mean

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do we so i give credence to the fact

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that roswell actually happened

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and i'll i believe personally that

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bodies were recovered

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and if these bodies were examined

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um and then

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their dna was examined

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and they know what that

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alien genome look like and they look at

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humans and they can identify the same

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sequences in human genome i think that's

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what led them to believe that there's an

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hybridization of of humans

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and they further said

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in this one day symposium that there are

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familial lines they're families

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that have not only alien dna but

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enhanced alien dna of interest to cia

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i'm so

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okay so it was like

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there wasn't knowledge before

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world war at the end of world war ii

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there was no cia there was no

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intelligence community per se but we

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know that

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that roswell happened in july of 47

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and so to me it's a logical

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to me it was a logical leap

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that it was during that time

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when

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if we believe in uh curtis corso if you

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believe in eyewitnesses

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if we believe the roswell's story

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then we know that the bodies were

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recovered

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and we have to believe that those bodies

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were examined somewhere

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and we have to believe that you know

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they were able to sequence something in

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those bodies that look like a genome

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and from there they make they check the

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human genome and saw the correlations

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that's what i believe

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because that's what i was told now i

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don't have any evidence evidence of that

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but i by by releasing these names i

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would hope that serious researchers and

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journalists

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would contact these people

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and trying to get the story down if they

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would even admit to the story but i

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heard it

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with my own ears

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and i can identify two other cia

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officers that were not presenting

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uh that also heard it

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as well and i need permission to release

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their names

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yeah um

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now i thought my well first of all i

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just want to show these two things this

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is uh your

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your medallion yeah and um and then also

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the certificate that came with that um

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that i don't think as you said you're

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not going to exactly buy them on ebay so

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anyway thank you for showing that but um

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i was under the understanding that we

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hadn't been studying the genome that

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long i thought it was uh

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i thought it was uh

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later on in the century that we've been

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studying i don't i don't know dna was

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yeah dna was discovered in the mid 1800s

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but as far as by the germans but

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studying the genome has not been around

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its sequencing was very difficult to do

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so

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believe was 2001 when this one-day

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symposium occurred

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by that time

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we've sequenced

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or at least

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the government knew the government has

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sequenced this dna both in humans and in

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whatever bodies they recovered otherwise

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i don't think they would have been able

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to make that statement to that group of

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people which included

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uh academics.edu

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professors from various universities

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so it wasn't just a government held

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secret i mean some of that information

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was shared to academics

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if you want to call them the invisible

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college you can

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but there's it to me it was obvious that

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there were people in universities

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who worked with the government to study

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this phenomenon

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okay um just just a quick a quick

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question about your

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um

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about your career because it was

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something i meant to ask you in the very

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beginning and i have a friend that's um

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that did work for the cia um and that i

466
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know uh that i've known over the last i

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don't know maybe four or five years and

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he said that

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um

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it was unusual for somebody that to have

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worked for both the dst and the di

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the di of course is strictly analytic

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and the dst is strictly scientific

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unless there was some strange congruence

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it would be

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a rather unusual career can you address

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why you were involved in both

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absolutely um the office was originally

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in the dsmt and was called the office of

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seeking operations and there was a lab

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there a signals analysis lab and it was

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all in the dsmt

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now what occurred was a bifurcation of

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that office

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where the

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inlet side and the telemetry side of

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that office went to the di

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under oswr

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and you can

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ask your friend about oswr if he's been

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around a long time he knows what that

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office did so they adopted uh several of

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our branches

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that dealt with weapon systems to better

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interface with those who worked with the

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actual systems we did the signals they

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did the systems

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and they themselves worked with what we

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call military analysts in the regional

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offices of the di so if it's a russian

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system uh they worked with the office of

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soviet analysis the military

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intelligence officers in the office of

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soviet analysis the part that they left

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behind are strictly ds and t parts

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that dealt with

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communications intelligence

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stayed with the director of science and

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technology

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and the office then was called not

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offices sigin operations that was called

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the office of technical collection otc

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and those

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elements stayed with otc

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and the weapons signals side of the lab

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went to the di

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and you can tell your friend it was on

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the ground floor

519
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and if he knows what the blind stand is

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the b l i n d blind stand he knows that

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it was on that corridor from there to

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the uh

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it was the northeast entrance

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so

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it's right there the g

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g d

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g e

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and g f corridors of headquarters and

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the ohb

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and so ask your friend about that and

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you'll know exactly what i meant

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especially the blind stan if he's been

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there a long time yeah sure okay so

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here's a question um and for those of

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you i know i'm going to have a lot of

536
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questions also we are taking phone calls

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the last half hour screened phone calls

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so um someone wants to know if uh i can

539
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ask you of the cosmos id board of

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directors if they were present at that

541
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hotel meeting

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no in 2001 um

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those officers were not present

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in fact

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i don't believe the the person that

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should have been there

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would have been the deputy director for

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science and technology

549
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and he was not there

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00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:04,640
however

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a one of his senior officers was there

552
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okay so i have a question about that

553
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meeting okay about that hotel

554
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uh meeting about the hybrid meeting yeah

555
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so it seems to me that

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and i heard you mention on another show

557
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that you saw the sign-in sheet you saw

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there was a lot of ews as well yeah

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email addresses so there are some

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professors perhaps are people involved

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in

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and um you know universities somehow one

563
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way or the other so all these

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intelligent people as well as as i

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consider you very intelligent you're ho

566
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all these people are sitting in that

567
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room they're telling you this story

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what kind of questions were asked i mean

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this is this is uh like an

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earth-shattering

571
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:48,480
thing to talk about so i'm sure did they

572
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:50,799
take questions

573
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,919
guess what

574
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:54,000
no one asked a question because everyone

575
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:55,520
there was like nodding their heads and

576
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:57,679
yeah okay yeah all right i mean it's

577
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:00,640
like they were involved from a long time

578
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:03,840
i was there as a guest i was invited

579
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,240
by another senior officer who knew i was

580
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,919
interested in ufos

581
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:09,600
and he invited me there saying you might

582
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:10,960
be interested in what you hear in this

583
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,880
meeting so okay

584
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,120
and so i went to the meeting so i

585
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:17,600
learned about mcminnville ufo

586
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:19,600
and that it was an actual ufo that's

587
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:21,679
never been debunked because it's real

588
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:26,799
and also learned about uh some of the um

589
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:29,280
sightings of ufos

590
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:30,559
uh

591
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:33,760
were actually real others were the 2 and

592
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:36,400
12 which were silver when they flew out

593
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:37,919
of station

594
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,919
d as in delta

595
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:41,919
it wasn't called area 51 we didn't call

596
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:45,039
it area 51 we call it station d as in

597
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:46,000
delta

598
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,000
and when they flew they flew they flew

599
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:51,120
silver aircraft when they were deployed

600
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,400
by us they were then black the air force

601
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:56,640
always had black aircraft

602
00:23:01,590 --> 00:23:00,320
so there was no sr-71 flying when cia

603
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:01,600
was there

604
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,559
it was all the 812 and before that to u2

605
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:06,480
it was all silver and it would fly in

606
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:09,840
broad daylight because cia knew that

607
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,679
well maybe they'll be mistaken for these

608
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:13,200
ufos and we don't care if they are

609
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,960
mistaken for ufos

610
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:16,720
it's a natural cover for something that

611
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,080
really exists

612
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:20,559
yeah so it wasn't that they were saying

613
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,600
that all ufos are u2's

614
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,360
they didn't say that at all

615
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:27,120
because i read the classified version of

616
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:28,320
that report

617
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:31,840
1947 and 1990 cia released a report on

618
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:35,440
cia's involvement with ufos

619
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,559
and

620
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,360
in that report it the classified version

621
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,520
never said that you know

622
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:43,679
all u2s and 812s

623
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,720
are actually the ufos or all ufos are

624
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,480
these aircraft they never said that what

625
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:50,640
they stated was because they were

626
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:55,120
thought to be ufos we can fly these

627
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:57,679
in open skies in broad daylight because

628
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:59,279
they were mistaken for ufos and we

629
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:00,880
didn't bother to correct

630
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,799
right yeah i've heard that over the

631
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,480
years um

632
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:06,159
now i'm going to say a couple things

633
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,559
that i i say have said on my show a

634
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:10,640
number of times and maybe the listener

635
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:12,400
will get tired of hearing it yeah one of

636
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:13,520
them is

637
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:14,799
uh

638
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,279
i've i've always thought that

639
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:19,440
there could be some small part of the

640
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:22,159
government that knows something more

641
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:24,799
about these things than we do

642
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:25,760
but

643
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,760
they probably don't really know what

644
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:29,039
they are

645
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:31,120
and what's your what's your response to

646
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:32,640
that

647
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:34,880
uh first of all i don't know what small

648
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,159
means all right compartmentalized

649
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:40,880
okay yeah yeah my i believe there is a

650
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:43,120
compartmented program

651
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:45,039
within the government

652
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:49,200
i would put that program in the dod side

653
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:50,880
of the government

654
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,679
and

655
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:53,520
that they know

656
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,120
a lot of what's going on and then

657
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:57,600
there's this other high strangeness

658
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:59,600
which they can't explain

659
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,400
yeah

660
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:02,480
they do not know what's going on

661
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:05,520
and lou kind of like teases that because

662
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,320
he says oh yeah we we know who's driving

663
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:10,320
you know some of these craft and we've

664
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:12,320
seen inside you know we know we've seen

665
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,120
them

666
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:15,200
right but then you know you have skin

667
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:16,880
walker which is just completely high

668
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,960
strangeness that's very difficult to

669
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:20,240
explain

670
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:23,760
and um in my mind this is just me

671
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:26,799
talking my personal belief is that

672
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:29,279
a lot of this hesitancy by government to

673
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:31,600
reveal even a little bit is because they

674
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:34,000
can't explain at all because to explain

675
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:35,520
a little bit you gotta explain

676
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,880
skinwalker

677
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,120
and that's really difficult for them to

678
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:41,679
explain so they might be aspects of this

679
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,720
phenomenon

680
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,240
that they can't explain and therefore

681
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:46,480
they they hold on to everything

682
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:49,120
uh that's the dod side um

683
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:50,240
and as

684
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,440
we heard

685
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:53,039
um

686
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,159
from uh dean johnson that they took the

687
00:26:02,470 --> 00:25:59,279
uh language for the uap office out of

688
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:02,480
the ndaa which is good and may proceed

689
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,320
with that separately i believe that's

690
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:06,960
what he wrote uh even today

691
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:09,279
that they can take it out and then pass

692
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:12,320
that amendment as a separate law

693
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:13,919
i think that's a good thing

694
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:16,080
um i think it will pass and if it does

695
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,039
pass

696
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,760
then that small compartmented group

697
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:21,120
um they're not going to be as

698
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:22,559
compartmented and they're not going to

699
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,279
be as small as they are now because now

700
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:27,440
they're under oversight of the united

701
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:30,320
states congress and that's a good thing

702
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:33,440
because when you have oversight of that

703
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,400
then they are beholden to congress to

704
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,559
report their findings and if they say

705
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,400
we're not reporting

706
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:41,919
then there are consequences legal

707
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,200
consequences it's obstruction of justice

708
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,840
in fact when congress subpoenas you and

709
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:50,080
you fail to be a witness you say i'm not

710
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:51,600
going to testify

711
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,720
well

712
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:54,960
u.s marshals are going to come and

713
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:55,919
yeah

714
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,760
they have a different opinion

715
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,760
about that yeah

716
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:01,279
how much uh

717
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:02,720
i don't know what i think about this but

718
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:05,120
i'll ask the question anyway but

719
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,159
how much of do you think that

720
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:10,720
these uh

721
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,520
like

722
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,360
this the study of this

723
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:15,520
as far as our government is is kind of

724
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,159
window dressing you know maybe they know

725
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,360
more already that they they just haven't

726
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,240
revealed yet

727
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,799
uh i don't think lou is window dressing

728
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,039
anything no i'm not talking about lou

729
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:31,679
i'm telling who i'm talking about say

730
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:34,159
this this new uh office that's being

731
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,120
sold

732
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:37,919
you know that type of thing

733
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,710
i would think that as representatives of

734
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:44,159
the united states people

735
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:45,760
of us the citizens

736
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,360
um it's beholden to us to make sure that

737
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:51,919
our congress people

738
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,520
are not going to swit sweep this away

739
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:57,679
that it's in the public interest

740
00:28:01,190 --> 00:28:00,320
to reveal what's going on

741
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:01,200
and

742
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,320
so my hope is that

743
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,640
because it's beholden for us our

744
00:28:09,210 --> 00:28:08,799
responsibility as well

745
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:09,220
to

746
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:10,960
[Music]

747
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:13,120
let our congress people know that we are

748
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:16,240
genuinely interested in this

749
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:17,760
and the fact that there will be an

750
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:20,399
office like this it's no longer crazy to

751
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:21,520
ask a

752
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,480
uh

753
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,799
a candidate for office what

754
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,640
he or she feels about

755
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,720
uaps because there's not an office that

756
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:30,480
congress is responsible to have

757
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:32,159
oversight over

758
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:35,440
so i i'm hoping that it's our action to

759
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:38,240
make sure it's not window dressing

760
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,600
at all and um so i'll go from there

761
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,919
that's we have a responsibility as well

762
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:45,760
to make sure that they do not window

763
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,120
dress it

764
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:49,919
and i think people are working uh i

765
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:52,480
think like lou what lou and chris

766
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:53,679
are doing

767
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:57,279
is to remind the folks in government

768
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:59,760
that they are responsible

769
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,360
for this oversight and they're

770
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,520
responsible for getting this information

771
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:05,600
out because that's what the law states

772
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:06,480
yeah

773
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:10,159
well i like i like what you said a

774
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,039
minute ago about that if they can't

775
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:14,880
release everything they know then

776
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:16,399
they're not going to release anything i

777
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:17,919
i i think

778
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:20,000
that um you know one of the things i

779
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:21,840
have thought about through through the

780
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:24,720
years is if they can't tell us what it

781
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:26,799
is and that they can protect us from

782
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:29,279
what potential there could be of any

783
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:30,159
threat

784
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:31,279
then they're not going to tell us

785
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,320
anything you know right yeah but i think

786
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:36,000
at a baseline

787
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,200
um

788
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:39,520
the fact that they're a craft

789
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:41,919
and their fact that the craft might be

790
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,880
driven by folks who are not from earth

791
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:46,720
i think that that bridge has been

792
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,679
crossed

793
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:48,960
or the beginnings of that bridge has

794
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:50,000
been built

795
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,679
right as far as explaining high

796
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:53,360
strangeness they may have to separate

797
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,840
that from the other narrative

798
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,840
because the high strangeness part is

799
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,279
really difficult

800
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:01,679
for me to swallow i mean i just it's

801
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:03,760
very frightening actually

802
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:05,919
yeah to have this hitchhiker effect that

803
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:08,799
people have reported yes uh happen and

804
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,520
and so what is that all about and so but

805
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:13,600
maybe they they i think there's parts of

806
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,919
that story that they can release

807
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,520
in terms of

808
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:19,279
the fact that there are craft and there

809
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:21,440
are occupants of the craft driving the

810
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:22,559
craft

811
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:24,399
at least that part at least that can be

812
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:25,600
released

813
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:28,240
and that might then build a bridge to uh

814
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:29,840
how are these craft

815
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,880
propelled

816
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:32,240
and do we have

817
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:34,399
any knowledge of that i think that can

818
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,520
be released

819
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:37,360
uh the part that the pentagon might

820
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:38,640
might cling to

821
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,520
is any exploitation of that technology

822
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,440
you might still cling to that but maybe

823
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:45,679
that can be wedged out

824
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,080
of that because the knowledge of the

825
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:50,000
craft and the knowledge of the occupants

826
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:51,120
as

827
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:53,600
lou said

828
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,399
that we know some of that already

829
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,080
leads me to believe that there's a lot

830
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:00,240
more to be said about that and maybe

831
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,720
with this office coming into play

832
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,799
and with the reporting requirements

833
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,720
demanded by that office

834
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,080
that some of that information will be

835
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:13,350
um now this is the story that i have

836
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:14,320
said

837
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,600
many times that people are probably

838
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,440
getting bored of i even said it on the

839
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:19,760
very first show that i was that i had i

840
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,559
listened to my very first show 480

841
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:25,200
something shows ago and i said the same

842
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:27,039
exact thing and that is i had an

843
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:30,240
insurance agent visit insurance broker

844
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,559
sell me a life insurance policy

845
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:34,320
and we got into a conversation

846
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:36,159
afterwards and he said something along

847
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:38,799
the lines that uh i was did i was in

848
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,120
vietnam and i had a very strange you

849
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:43,679
know position a very unusual position

850
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:46,159
and he's and i said well what can you

851
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:47,840
talk about he said yeah was he says i

852
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:48,880
was studying

853
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:51,679
uh the effect of what napalm

854
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:54,080
and uh the napalming and the ufos that

855
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,200
would show up

856
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,960
so you know we got in the whole thing

857
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,080
about

858
00:32:01,909 --> 00:32:00,720
uh you know ufos that night i wanted to

859
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:01,919
know more about him he talked about

860
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:04,000
nuclear weapons uh that they have an

861
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:05,440
interest in that and he said not just

862
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:07,039
nuclear weapons his nuclear power

863
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:08,480
nuclear everything

864
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,320
and then um so i said well what exactly

865
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,640
what is this exactly does the government

866
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:16,080
know that's what i asked them what do

867
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:17,360
they think

868
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,399
they are

869
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,159
and he looked at me and said we're a

870
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:22,640
petri dish

871
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:24,159
and i just wonder what you thought about

872
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:25,840
that comment i never have been able to

873
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,399
reach him since i started this show but

874
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:30,080
i would love to be able to talk to him

875
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,120
about that and uh just to understand

876
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:35,360
more that but um i thought that was a

877
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:38,000
very interesting comment and what you

878
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,440
thought about that

879
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:41,679
well i'm just going back to what a petri

880
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:44,159
dish is it's a it's a environment by

881
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:46,000
which you can watch

882
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,600
uh microbial life grow i'm not a chemist

883
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:51,840
or biologist so but it's my

884
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,960
um non-chemist non-biologist explanation

885
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:56,559
of what a petri dish is and you can

886
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,279
introduce things into that petri dish to

887
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:01,440
see how that affects the growth of

888
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:03,039
whatever is growing there

889
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,159
so if we are a petri dish then that

890
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:08,480
kind of suggests to me that the visitors

891
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,279
who are

892
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:12,000
here visiting us are

893
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,799
then

894
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,159
introducing

895
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,080
uh certain

896
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,640
things into our

897
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:20,880
our human life into our environment to

898
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:23,440
see how we react to that

899
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:25,039
and i don't have a better explanation

900
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:26,159
for that

901
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,960
yeah

902
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,799
well what do you think uh or did they

903
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:30,480
when they had this meeting going back to

904
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:32,240
that meeting at that hotel

905
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:34,000
did they say

906
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:34,960
why

907
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:38,880
or what improvements or what changes

908
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:40,720
this um

909
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:41,600
you know

910
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:43,120
this gene

911
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:44,799
that they were introducing to our

912
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:47,200
species supposedly at this meeting what

913
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:49,120
they were talking about did they

914
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:52,000
did they go into more detail of what the

915
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:53,840
reasoning would have been

916
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:56,320
uh the changes that have been made

917
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:57,200
and

918
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,960
to what we were initially supposedly uh

919
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,399
any of that come up

920
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:04,559
no

921
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:09,440
enhancements to to humanity

922
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,079
other than that we were enhanced

923
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:14,560
and they didn't use the word intervene

924
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,240
they didn't use the word manipulate it's

925
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:18,079
more like it's an enhancement it's a

926
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,599
it's an advancement

927
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:21,599
of humanity

928
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,079
that occurred way back when

929
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,240
it's it didn't occur team four five and

930
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:28,480
they occurred like way when

931
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,399
so it leads me to believe that they have

932
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:32,159
more knowledge of what happened way back

933
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:33,599
when i don't know how they have that

934
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:34,879
knowledge

935
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:36,320
um

936
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:39,040
but lou says uh in one of his interviews

937
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:41,359
he said 70 000 years i don't know where

938
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,520
he came up with that number but he

939
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:45,839
stayed at 70 000 years

940
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,839
and then he went on this soliloquy about

941
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:49,679
suppose everything you've been taught by

942
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:52,480
your schools your parents your churches

943
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,480
everything you think you know is

944
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,040
completely wrong it's false yes i heard

945
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,280
that and so yeah you know that kind of

946
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:01,520
plays along with

947
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,000
what i heard about this

948
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,040
enhancement of the human dna

949
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,119
and so

950
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:11,520
is that why we are more advanced than

951
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:13,839
our fellow primates

952
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,720
so that that brings up that question

953
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:18,480
but there's so many like like you say

954
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,000
there's so many little

955
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:22,720
tidbits and teases that in my own mind i

956
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,200
had to sort it out and so knowing the

957
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,599
little the little that i know

958
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,280
um

959
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:30,960
and knowing about the orbs and knowing

960
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,599
about this particular one-day symposium

961
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,240
symposium and knowing in general that

962
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,480
the the government has always been

963
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:40,480
interested at least since world war ii

964
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,359
into

965
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:43,359
the ufo phenomenon

966
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,440
i had to put some story together and

967
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,520
that presentation was more for me than

968
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,200
for anybody else

969
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,359
i mean i had to put everything down and

970
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,680
it's subject to change if i get better

971
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:56,000
information or new information

972
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,760
or if i get a phone call from the

973
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,000
government saying you're all wrong

974
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,400
you know take this part out i'll do so

975
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:04,079
and i'll admit yeah i was wrong about

976
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,119
this

977
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,960
but you know it's

978
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,560
more for like trying to straighten this

979
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,560
story out for me and whether people

980
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,640
believe it or not for me it's

981
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:14,240
inconsequential i think you should

982
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:15,839
believe what you believe and feel

983
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,480
comfortable what what gives you comfort

984
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:20,640
my presentation gives me comfort based

985
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:23,440
on not only what i heard professionally

986
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:27,680
but why i've experienced personally

987
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,320
as far as let's talk first about

988
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:32,800
professionally um i know

989
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:33,680
that

990
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,800
these orbs i'd like to talk about them

991
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:38,480
because this was

992
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:40,880
um something you evidently can talk

993
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:43,040
about without any problems

994
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,839
and

995
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,079
let's talk about what happened i know

996
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:48,079
this was on was this in the north pole

997
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:50,480
or something like that then and can you

998
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,079
go into that what

999
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:54,400
how these things were detected

1000
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:57,440
and their actions and all that

1001
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:00,720
the us detected it through um infrared

1002
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:03,920
payload uh flying in space

1003
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,119
um

1004
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:07,680
so we had satellites that had infrared

1005
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:08,800
sensors

1006
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:12,560
presence of these orbs

1007
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:14,560
and they were not like

1008
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:17,440
anomalies they were not like

1009
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:20,320
i know nasa loves to use those dust on

1010
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:22,960
the camera and sorry something like that

1011
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:25,040
no

1012
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:26,640
these were objects

1013
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:27,920
that

1014
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:30,800
were light objects

1015
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:31,760
that

1016
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,480
looked orange 600 nanometers you can

1017
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:37,440
look that up that wavelength is orange

1018
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:39,200
and they were flying together in

1019
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,320
formation

1020
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:42,079
under intelligent control that is they

1021
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:44,079
were maneuvering

1022
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,240
dust doesn't maneuver like that

1023
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,240
and they were going to a destination

1024
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,000
they were traveling to go somewhere

1025
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,240
that's what we detected that started all

1026
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:54,160
of this rolling

1027
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:56,400
from the orb side the light orb side of

1028
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:57,920
things

1029
00:38:01,750 --> 00:38:00,480
do you remember the year of that

1030
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:01,760
uh

1031
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:02,560
the

1032
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:07,599
board um

1033
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:09,760
in the early 90s

1034
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:12,160
on kh-11 kenan

1035
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,000
block 2.

1036
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:16,240
they had ir sensors and

1037
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,839
according to wikipedia and i always

1038
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,440
source wikipedia because that gets me

1039
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,680
out of trouble if you look up kh11

1040
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:24,240
keenan uh you'll see the various blocks

1041
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:25,920
one through five

1042
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:28,880
that they document and each one of those

1043
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:31,440
after block one block two through five

1044
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:33,760
carry some kind of ir sensor

1045
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:35,920
we also know through unclassified

1046
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,320
sources uh you can look it up

1047
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:40,560
you can do a google search on wikipedia

1048
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:44,400
look up siebers s b i r s c burs

1049
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:47,440
that satellite has been placed in orbit

1050
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:50,240
that was placed after i left uh

1051
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:51,200
government

1052
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:55,359
still being designed

1053
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:58,400
as a ir sensor to replace the old uh

1054
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,599
defense support program dsp satellites

1055
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:03,440
so that's another source that's probably

1056
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:04,880
more current

1057
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:07,359
of uh detecting these they have eight

1058
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:09,920
colors of um up to eight colors of

1059
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,320
hyperspectrum more spectral is four

1060
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,720
colors we say four band ir

1061
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,040
siebers uh latest one there are two

1062
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:19,280
orbits that can do eight colors one

1063
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:21,839
orbit is called hell high elliptical

1064
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:24,720
orbit the other is geo geosynchronous

1065
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,040
orbit so there's two orbits of these

1066
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:29,520
uh ir satellites so that's providing

1067
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:32,000
probably newer information

1068
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,760
in addition to that of course we have

1069
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:36,000
the regular optical satellites that take

1070
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:37,200
pictures

1071
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:40,800
did not see

1072
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,800
any pictures of that type from

1073
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:46,640
optical sensors

1074
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,079
at all what i saw were infrared

1075
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,240
and being infrared

1076
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:54,320
you're just going to get a blob of light

1077
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:55,680
that's what you get

1078
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:57,920
but i saw the blob of light that i was

1079
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,320
the actual data

1080
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:02,640
of that blob of light was not sure to me

1081
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,720
other than the fact that it's orange 600

1082
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:06,640
nanometers

1083
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:09,200
so you only saw you basically saw the

1084
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,480
spectrum

1085
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:13,200
and that it was there around 600

1086
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:14,720
millimeters

1087
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,280
which means it was orange which a lot of

1088
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:19,440
people do report orange seeing these

1089
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:21,280
orange orbs you saw them fly in

1090
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:22,720
formation but there was nothing to

1091
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,720
detect any nuts and bolts craft that was

1092
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:28,880
uh you know that these were mounted on

1093
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:30,880
or any type of thing like that is that

1094
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:31,760
correct

1095
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:36,720
we're trying to rule out

1096
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,440
um that it could have been high-flying

1097
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:41,280
russian aircraft

1098
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,359
that was that was how we got involved

1099
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,680
because our analysts

1100
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,760
intimately knew

1101
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:49,680
the aircraft

1102
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:52,160
and so our job was to rule out that is

1103
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,200
it could it be this and we ruled it out

1104
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,880
so we knew that there wasn't anything

1105
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,640
that russia would fly over their

1106
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,079
airspace

1107
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,160
and i would preface that it was over

1108
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:04,000
russian airspace

1109
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:04,800
but

1110
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:07,440
based on what we were told

1111
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,319
that

1112
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,400
the if you you know walk the trajectory

1113
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:12,880
back it was very definitely from

1114
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:15,680
the north polar arctic circle region

1115
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:18,720
when it was seen over russia

1116
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:20,800
and in this particular

1117
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,640
situation i would imagine that russia

1118
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,800
had the capability to see this whatever

1119
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:26,319
it was as well

1120
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:27,760
i would imagine

1121
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,800
and and something like this is there

1122
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:33,040
there's probably never any communication

1123
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:34,720
is there between countries when it comes

1124
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:39,829
i did not

1125
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:42,640
know of any communications regarding um

1126
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,319
ufos uaps

1127
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:46,560
or anything like that officially between

1128
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,440
governments yeah uh the only uh

1129
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,599
exception i make is with china

1130
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:53,839
which we told china things

1131
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,720
about these domes of light that we saw

1132
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:58,319
because we needed to place a sensor

1133
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:59,200
there

1134
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:00,640
and i can't talk about the sensor

1135
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:03,040
because it's still there

1136
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,160
but for russia i don't recall any kind

1137
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,400
of communication between our government

1138
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,480
and the russian government about

1139
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,960
these orbs now having said that the

1140
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:15,040
russians did detect them

1141
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:17,200
through what's known as the elpar large

1142
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:18,720
phase ray radar

1143
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:21,040
you can also use wikipedia and look up

1144
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:25,119
the petra radar or darial d-a-r-y-a-l

1145
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:26,480
radar

1146
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,040
they have a system of these our network

1147
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:31,760
of these around the periphery of russia

1148
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,040
looking for

1149
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:35,440
uh ballistic missile launches

1150
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:36,560
and when they're not looking for

1151
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:37,760
ballistic missile launches they're

1152
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,160
basically just tracking satellites so

1153
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,800
the track satellites for so many seconds

1154
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,400
they match it with an ephemeris saying

1155
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:46,000
okay it's this satellite and they drop

1156
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:47,359
it and go to

1157
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,880
another satellite meanwhile they're

1158
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:51,119
doing a picket fence as we call it over

1159
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,400
the horizon

1160
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,720
just going back and forth and they find

1161
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,480
us they find an object and they'll track

1162
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,800
it that's a satellite they drop it they

1163
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:00,640
track another one that's a cell like

1164
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:02,560
they drop it that's all they do but in

1165
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,640
this case they found something that did

1166
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,480
not match any ephemeris

1167
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:08,160
and was not a ballistic missile and they

1168
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,520
kept tracking it and they were worried

1169
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:12,000
about it their strategic rocket forces

1170
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:13,839
went on tight alert

1171
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,640
we detected the strategic rocket forces

1172
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,480
going on higher alert that got the

1173
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:20,400
pentagon excited

1174
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:21,200
yeah

1175
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:24,000
and though as a ballistic missile

1176
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:25,280
analyst

1177
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,040
since these radars are designed for

1178
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,040
ballistic missile defense

1179
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:31,920
then i was asked to write a memo do some

1180
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:33,680
research and write a memo as to what

1181
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:34,640
happened

1182
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:36,880
and then deliver it to the pentagon

1183
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:38,960
and i said who do i deliver to and he

1184
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,800
said well john deutsch

1185
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,480
at that time he was deputy secretary of

1186
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,400
defense

1187
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,640
and so i wrote up the memo uh and

1188
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:48,960
coordinated it uh through my other

1189
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,760
analysts in the office with my we went

1190
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:52,960
to the memo

1191
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,520
and basically in memo i just stated that

1192
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:57,119
russia detected

1193
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:59,280
uh objects they did not identify that

1194
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:00,480
were neither

1195
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:03,920
missiles or satellites and it caused the

1196
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:06,560
the russian

1197
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,599
pvo

1198
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,760
the their air defense system to go into

1199
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,000
high alert and that's what we delivered

1200
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:14,720
to john deutch

1201
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:17,119
interesting so when this thing was

1202
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:18,880
happening can you

1203
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:21,040
describe the flight characteristics of

1204
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:22,880
these things

1205
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,119
no i didn't have that information that's

1206
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:27,839
something the nga would have the actual

1207
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:29,920
imagery

1208
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:33,599
agency

1209
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:37,839
nga would have that data nro would have

1210
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:39,119
that data because they built the

1211
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:40,160
satellite

1212
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:41,280
they know intimately what the

1213
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,040
capabilities of satellite are

1214
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:45,119
i did not and here's where the working

1215
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,200
group came in where i sent people to the

1216
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,440
working group i said i don't want to be

1217
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:51,040
right into anything i just need to know

1218
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,560
that they're going there

1219
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,319
and i because i need to write their

1220
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,560
performance appraisal reports

1221
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:58,079
and so i got to know what they're doing

1222
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:59,200
and so

1223
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:01,280
i was briefed up to a point

1224
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,160
that was

1225
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,720
not highly classified if at all

1226
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:06,960
um and now i can say it i sat on this

1227
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:09,200
for a long time because previously

1228
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:12,160
um you know it was still considered very

1229
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:13,359
sensitive

1230
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:16,160
but since 2017 with the release of the

1231
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:17,599
tic tacs

1232
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,079
go fast and gimbal videos and now with

1233
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:22,240
the discussion of orbs in the public

1234
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:23,200
domain

1235
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:26,000
even in uh james lukaski's book where to

1236
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:27,839
talk about orbs

1237
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:31,119
then i i'm no longer under any kind of

1238
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,800
restraint to talk about the fact that

1239
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:34,240
yeah there were orbs and the government

1240
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:36,000
was interested in orbs

1241
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,440
and here's when

1242
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:39,599
how that happened

1243
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,480
yeah uh you know speaking of you know

1244
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,319
when you can talk about something or

1245
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:46,720
when you cannot uh you know going back

1246
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,160
to roswell you know here is a case where

1247
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:52,240
it was swept under the rug right away

1248
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,920
and nobody talked about it until the

1249
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:55,520
1980s when

1250
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:58,400
um you know stan freeman found this guy

1251
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:01,200
that said you know he he's you know

1252
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:03,119
dealt with this ufo back in roswell then

1253
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:04,640
it all came out

1254
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:05,520
um

1255
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,240
coins coincidentally you know the cia

1256
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:10,160
was formed you know a few months later

1257
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,160
after roswell that i'm sure later

1258
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:16,480
yeah well i'm sure it probably has

1259
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:19,280
little to do with it but um

1260
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:22,079
when this thing was tucked under the rug

1261
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:25,359
how would you find out at this point

1262
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:28,960
that there was alien bodies recovered as

1263
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:31,760
you mentioned you know i mean uh how how

1264
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:33,200
would any of that

1265
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:35,839
be uncovered um you know i know you're

1266
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,760
on the inside in the cia but you don't

1267
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,280
really dig around and stuff like that

1268
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:41,280
right you know historically

1269
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:43,040
it came up because it was part of my day

1270
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:43,839
job

1271
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:46,240
when we detected these orbs so that came

1272
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,760
up in that fashion

1273
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,440
that the russians were detecting these

1274
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,280
orbs we didn't look at over the united

1275
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:53,680
states because cia has no authority

1276
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,800
to do any kind of collection in

1277
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:58,319
the united states or over the united

1278
00:47:02,069 --> 00:46:59,920
states

1279
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,079
but so that's

1280
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:04,400
that's not something that would be in

1281
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:06,640
any kind of database that we would be

1282
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:08,000
able to access

1283
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:11,839
in fact eric snowden stated that uh when

1284
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:15,040
he was a cia officer for uh for a while

1285
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:17,680
before he became an nsa contractor

1286
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:20,640
and so he said that when he was with cia

1287
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:23,680
and nsa he found no evidence of any kind

1288
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:26,079
of reporting

1289
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:30,000
on ufos but subsequently foias we know

1290
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:32,079
that there was a lot of interest

1291
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:36,319
and so these fois been released and so i

1292
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:39,200
other than the historical records

1293
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,400
um

1294
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:42,319
there would be very little

1295
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:45,119
data that a person with casual interests

1296
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,800
would be able to find

1297
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,640
yeah but having said that i mean there

1298
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,480
was an office that

1299
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:53,040
did look at this seriously

1300
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:53,839
and

1301
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:56,480
it was probably highly compartmented

1302
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:58,480
uh their work in it and i think a lot of

1303
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:01,440
it went over to the dod side

1304
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:03,520
yeah i i wouldn't be surprised if that

1305
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,720
if that was the case here's a again for

1306
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,400
those i know there's a lot of questions

1307
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:10,480
i'll try to get to some when i can here

1308
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:12,160
in the chat and thank you all for all

1309
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,079
your people for uh posting these

1310
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:16,640
questions um they wanted to know uh this

1311
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:21,520
person wanted to know if um h a a or arp

1312
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:23,200
yeah anything to do with bringing down

1313
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:25,040
uap ufo craft that's something i've

1314
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:27,200
never heard of i never heard of harp

1315
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,720
doing that actively

1316
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:30,960
i do know the harp is um

1317
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:33,280
very involved with upper atmospheric

1318
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:34,480
research

1319
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,280
uh the troposphere this stratosphere

1320
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:39,200
troposphere and ionosphere especially up

1321
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:40,000
there

1322
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,599
and that it is a an array of antennas

1323
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,280
transmitting signals

1324
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:47,200
to bounce off

1325
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:48,960
the higher

1326
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,440
ionospheric regions

1327
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:53,359
to map them

1328
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,000
for various reasons and

1329
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:58,160
i have not heard of harp being used in

1330
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,280
that manner

1331
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:01,920
yeah whether it can be used i don't know

1332
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:04,559
but it's interesting i i've heard haarp

1333
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:07,520
doesn't have the magic

1334
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,079
s band frequency

1335
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:12,240
that has been that has been associated

1336
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:14,960
with uh

1337
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:15,520
that's two ufos

1338
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:17,599
four gigahertz three gear hertz being in

1339
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,880
the middle

1340
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:20,720
um some of the early reporting from the

1341
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:24,400
rb 47 and early reconnaissance aircraft

1342
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,280
um i believe was the rb 47 that chased

1343
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:29,520
and i think it was james mcdonald that

1344
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:31,839
did a lot of the study yes and they

1345
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:33,359
actually characterized the signal

1346
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:36,559
collected by the uh by this aircraft

1347
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:39,119
and correct me from i'm thinking rb47 it

1348
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,760
could have been another aircraft but

1349
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,920
long story short that they actually had

1350
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,599
the parameters down

1351
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:47,599
three gigahertz signal

1352
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:50,319
two microsecond pulse width 600 pulses

1353
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,440
per second

1354
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:53,440
a circular scan

1355
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,559
uh one scan every 15 seconds

1356
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,640
that was in the report so i mean as an

1357
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,400
e-link analyst i can visualize that

1358
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,640
signal and it didn't look like anything

1359
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:04,400
extraordinary at all

1360
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:07,520
if that's truly a a ufo signal uh that

1361
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:10,079
looks that looked to me like any mundane

1362
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:11,520
terrestrial

1363
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:13,119
um

1364
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,520
early warning radar on the ground it

1365
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,280
didn't look ufo-ish and it's nothing

1366
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:19,359
high strangeness about it

1367
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,480
so i mean if they followed this aircraft

1368
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,720
and were able to collect this signal to

1369
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,000
that

1370
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:28,480
ufo

1371
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:29,440
uh

1372
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,880
it leads me to believe what do they

1373
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:32,480
actually collect and who was flying that

1374
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:34,160
particular ufo

1375
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,559
because that radar is very very similar

1376
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:39,119
now three gigahertz that's the frequency

1377
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,839
uh in white sands missile missile range

1378
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:43,839
there were two radars

1379
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:46,160
that were used for testing the v2

1380
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,520
rockets

1381
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:49,200
and those two radars

1382
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,680
the model number is a n slash mpq2

1383
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:55,599
i was based on a world war ii radar

1384
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,240
called the scr 584

1385
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:00,400
and that does have

1386
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,760
a three gigahertz magnetron in the radar

1387
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:05,920
so again there's three gigahertz so

1388
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,480
something about three gigahertz attracts

1389
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:10,720
the interest it's the same frequency

1390
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:15,200
range as the um aegis spy one radar on

1391
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,000
the princeton or any aegis cruiser or

1392
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:20,319
destroyer with a spy one

1393
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:23,520
they would broadcast 3.5 to 4 gigahertz

1394
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:25,839
in that range and again it's an s-band

1395
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:29,200
signal so and the radar in russia i call

1396
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:30,720
the neiman p

1397
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:33,760
uh that was also an s-band radar

1398
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:35,119
so something about that band of

1399
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:38,160
frequencies attracts uaps

1400
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,720
and i'll give you something else

1401
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:42,480
uh long before there was a havana

1402
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:43,680
syndrome

1403
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:46,160
there were other similar occurrences

1404
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:48,640
at our facilities overseas our embassies

1405
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:51,680
and consulates and the signal happens to

1406
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,319
be kind of an s-band signal

1407
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,400
so what is that about this s-band

1408
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:58,640
frequency between two to four

1409
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,640
it's very very unusual and we're

1410
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:02,480
surrounded by s-band

1411
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:05,200
if you have wi-fi system at home you you

1412
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:07,280
broadcast over two rages one is five

1413
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:10,240
gigahertz and the other is 2.4 gigahertz

1414
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:11,920
in s-band

1415
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:14,000
so s-band is a

1416
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:17,200
very prevalent you know radio frequency

1417
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:19,200
range to use and for some how it's

1418
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:20,640
associated with

1419
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:23,760
ufos uaps and

1420
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:25,040
i don't know why

1421
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:27,200
yeah well there was a theory that i'd

1422
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:29,280
heard you know i mean many times over

1423
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,720
the years that

1424
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,800
you know possibly

1425
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,800
that you know the old saying not the old

1426
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:36,400
saying the saying i've heard many times

1427
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,839
is how could they fly you know uh

1428
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:41,599
a thousand light years or whatever it is

1429
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,599
to get here and they're here and they

1430
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,319
crash why would they crash and some of

1431
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:48,160
the theories are well you know they

1432
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:49,680
weren't expecting

1433
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:51,760
you know our radar or something affected

1434
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:53,839
their their systems or something like

1435
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:56,960
that which is you know uh

1436
00:53:02,069 --> 00:52:58,319
you know i have to keep an open mind

1437
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:02,079
possibly that is the the fact but uh you

1438
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:03,920
know like you said a lot well and then

1439
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:06,079
another thing along those same lines a

1440
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:07,839
lot of these things aren't even detected

1441
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:09,680
on our radar systems

1442
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:10,880
um

1443
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,760
yeah

1444
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:13,200
um

1445
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,880
they're not detected by air traffic

1446
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:16,640
control radars because it's the wrong

1447
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,359
radar to detect these

1448
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:21,359
um if you have a

1449
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:23,920
vhf radar

1450
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:26,960
or if you have an s-band radar

1451
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:29,920
uh they are detectable and if the radar

1452
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:33,760
does not have a traditional feed horn

1453
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:35,440
attached

1454
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,079
to a pedestal

1455
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:40,880
getting reflections from or transmitting

1456
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:43,359
refractions outward from a

1457
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:46,000
lattice dish of some sort

1458
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,079
whether it's a round dish or a

1459
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:50,400
horizontal dish or some kind of dish

1460
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:52,640
lattice

1461
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:54,480
that's not the right kind of dairy radar

1462
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:56,000
but if you have a phased array radar

1463
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:57,920
with active elements

1464
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:00,319
where the radar itself can have multi

1465
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:03,599
functions of of scanning tracking

1466
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:06,640
acquiring and engaging a target

1467
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,599
at various power frequencies powers and

1468
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:11,280
frequencies then you can you can see

1469
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,400
those

1470
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:14,480
radar so i would say that it's the wrong

1471
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:16,240
kind of radar

1472
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,400
i got the air traffic control radars oh

1473
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:20,160
we didn't see an atc of course you

1474
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:22,000
didn't it's the wrong radar you wouldn't

1475
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:23,839
you won't be able to see a lot of things

1476
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:25,760
and in fact the the air traffic control

1477
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:28,160
radars what they see on the screen is

1478
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,800
not the actual skin return they have to

1479
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:33,040
like actually look for the skin return

1480
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:34,880
with a mode of operation what they're

1481
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:37,599
seeing is the iff

1482
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:40,160
so they see united airlines uh flight

1483
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:42,960
whatever you know ua heavy well flight

1484
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,119
whoever you know on on

1485
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:47,920
uh this this uh bearing at this speed at

1486
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:49,440
this altitude

1487
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:52,480
that's all by the uh iff talking to the

1488
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,640
ground iff exchanging that information

1489
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:59,040
but if you turn on the skin return then

1490
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,720
you actually see the reflections from

1491
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:02,079
the metal

1492
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:04,240
of the aircraft and so if they put it in

1493
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,559
a certain mode of operation they can do

1494
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:09,119
that and the the waveforms out of an atc

1495
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:11,200
radar you see at the airport that's not

1496
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:13,839
the right kind of radar i see well that

1497
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:15,200
we're going to get into that because i

1498
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,559
have a question about that when we come

1499
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,240
back but it's time for us to go into the

1500
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:20,640
break it's a four minute break and this

1501
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,359
is with albert wayne uh about a

1502
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,280
incredible ufo sighting he's just gonna

1503
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:27,440
get into a little bit of it uh the full

1504
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,000
video will be up uh at midnight but here

1505
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:32,640
we go and over at kgra radio we'll be

1506
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:36,400
right back after this four minute break

1507
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,400
all right everyone i'm with albert wayne

1508
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:40,319
and we're going to do this today a

1509
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:41,680
little different than we've been doing

1510
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:45,520
our other ufo uh stories uh encounter

1511
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,880
stories and that is i'm going to we're

1512
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,720
going to try to do like a three minute

1513
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:52,079
segment

1514
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:54,880
for the commercial breaks that kgra

1515
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:57,520
radio and then we're gonna

1516
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,559
pause at the three minute mark or so and

1517
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,480
then we're to get into the full story

1518
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:04,480
and if you're watching

1519
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,160
in the commercial break right now this

1520
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,559
will be the full story will be on our

1521
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,400
youtube channel tomorrow

1522
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:12,960
so here we go albert thank you for

1523
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:14,960
contacting me and

1524
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:17,920
let's hear if we can do sort of a

1525
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:19,839
three-minute nutshell about the

1526
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:21,680
encounter itself and then we'll get into

1527
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:23,839
details after that

1528
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:26,799
all right martin quite simply it was the

1529
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:29,200
fall of 1977.

1530
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:31,119
my girlfriend and i were i think i was

1531
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:32,880
17 years old my girlfriend and i were

1532
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:34,720
heading south on i-95 through

1533
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:35,839
connecticut

1534
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:40,150
and

1535
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:44,000
it was a fairly windy night

1536
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:46,799
and suddenly up ahead on the horizon

1537
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,040
line of the highway you could see tall

1538
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,520
pines and behind the pines the sky the

1539
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:53,040
sky lit up

1540
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:54,960
like a like a like a light

1541
00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:56,960
string of lights

1542
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:01,040
um as we as we got closer

1543
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:02,799
you know when you can see a an airliner

1544
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:05,280
coming through clouds it looks like

1545
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:08,160
headlights from a car right yeah and

1546
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:10,240
and understandably green state airport

1547
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:12,400
is just back where we had come from in

1548
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:15,119
rhode island so i'm thinking this it's

1549
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,440
just a low-flying aircraft as we

1550
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,520
continue to approach

1551
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:22,160
the the lights the lights continue to

1552
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,760
light up the sky even more you can see

1553
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:25,680
the black clouds flying through the

1554
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:27,200
background

1555
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:29,119
and i said i looked over and i said to

1556
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,960
my friend

1557
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,559
that thing's too low i think it's it's

1558
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,400
gonna crash

1559
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:36,480
and when i said that

1560
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:38,799
or just shortly thereafter it it

1561
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:40,960
literally stopped

1562
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,160
it stopped above above the treetops now

1563
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,559
there were approximately a hundred acres

1564
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:49,200
of field on both sides of us at this

1565
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:50,480
point

1566
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:52,400
and the treetop and the tree line in the

1567
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:53,520
distance

1568
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:55,599
it stopped there we continued driving

1569
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:57,280
they were probably it wasn't a super

1570
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:02,309
as we got closer you could see the

1571
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:04,960
treetops being blown back and forth

1572
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:07,599
almost as if a hurricane was acting upon

1573
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:10,480
them they were literally bending over

1574
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:12,720
and

1575
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:14,480
this is this is a very weird story

1576
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:16,720
because there are some convoluted events

1577
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:18,000
that take place

1578
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:20,559
that i can't explain even now um

1579
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:22,160
but it was just sitting there and as we

1580
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:23,440
got closer

1581
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:24,960
everybody in front of me started slowing

1582
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,000
down now night literally turned today

1583
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,640
it was it was as bright as if the sun

1584
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:32,160
had just come up you could see

1585
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:34,400
everything on both sides of the field

1586
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:36,000
on both sides of the highway all the way

1587
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,280
out as far as you can see on the field

1588
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:38,960
it was for all intents and purposes it

1589
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:41,359
was daylight now

1590
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,440
the craft itself

1591
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:45,680
i've never heard anybody describe craft

1592
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:47,440
like this either

1593
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:48,480
it had

1594
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:52,400
compass

1595
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:56,160
it had four points a three section

1596
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:57,599
a midsection

1597
00:59:01,990 --> 00:59:00,079
the bottom was the bottom was rounded

1598
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:02,000
the section just above that had a yellow

1599
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:03,760
band and the top

1600
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:06,640
was cut out on angles

1601
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:08,559
at the end of each

1602
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:14,160
four compass arms there was a rod with a

1603
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:17,040
white ball of light

1604
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:19,280
at the top of each one goodness you know

1605
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:20,880
what we're gonna have to say we're gonna

1606
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:23,359
have to say tune in tomorrow

1607
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:26,240
on our youtube page to hear the rest of

1608
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:34,710
whoops sorry i'm back right in the

1609
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:36,000
middle of i thought that went a little

1610
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:36,960
longer

1611
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:39,520
all right so uh we are with the guest

1612
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:41,040
tonight john ramirez and we're going to

1613
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:43,760
bring him right back in

1614
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:44,640
uh

1615
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:46,480
i'm adding to stream and nothing's

1616
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:49,040
happening here we go strange okay john

1617
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:55,430
so john um we were talking about radar

1618
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:56,319
and

1619
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,440
you know

1620
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:59,359
the detection and all that and one of

1621
01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:00,960
the things that you hear

1622
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:02,319
a lot of

1623
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:05,280
well neil degrasse tyson for one he says

1624
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:08,079
that only uh

1625
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:10,079
mil why is it only military people see

1626
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:11,599
ufos which was

1627
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:14,559
really uh not ever

1628
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:16,640
you know it was a silly statement just a

1629
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:18,960
silly statement but another thing

1630
01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:21,359
when he was asked about you know what

1631
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:23,680
these things could be he said he thought

1632
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:26,640
it was a a radar anomaly you know it's

1633
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:28,640
something in the equipment he doesn't go

1634
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:29,440
into

1635
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:31,760
yeah but uh

1636
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,240
with all the different radars like for

1637
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:36,559
instance the nimitz case there was there

1638
01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:40,000
was multiple radars on on these objects

1639
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:41,920
there's no such thing as all these

1640
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:44,640
radars failing at once

1641
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:46,640
wouldn't you agree on that

1642
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:49,440
uh first of all um our modern radar

1643
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:52,000
systems have something called bite bite

1644
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:53,599
built-in test equipment

1645
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:55,359
so um

1646
01:01:08,829 --> 01:00:57,040
the

1647
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:08,839
daily

1648
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:12,079
weekly monthly bi-monthly maintenance on

1649
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,440
these radars

1650
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:15,280
and if there's a glitch like a false

1651
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:16,400
target

1652
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:18,559
that might appear that's a serious issue

1653
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,400
that needs to be looked at

1654
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:22,319
and there is a false target there are

1655
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,000
people who look at these radars called

1656
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:26,640
operations specialists or os's

1657
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:28,960
their job is to actually monitor the

1658
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:31,599
radar picture around their ship and do

1659
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:33,680
they see something like that um they

1660
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,880
would eventu

1661
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:36,640
immediately call the attention of the

1662
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:39,040
technician electronics technician

1663
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:40,880
to to look at that because you don't

1664
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:42,799
want a false target because the false

1665
01:01:45,430 --> 01:01:44,400
target

1666
01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:45,440
two things

1667
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:47,520
one it's a false target and you don't

1668
01:01:51,910 --> 01:01:50,079
want to designate as an enemy target and

1669
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,920
two if you think it's an anomaly you

1670
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:53,280
don't want to dismiss it because it

1671
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:56,640
could be an enemy target so it the fact

1672
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:58,400
that that these are radar anomalies is

1673
01:02:02,309 --> 01:01:59,760
ridiculous

1674
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:02,319
um especially our modern radars and the

1675
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:04,160
way they're designed

1676
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,520
um there is such a thing as sea clutter

1677
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:09,680
and close end to the ship

1678
01:02:15,029 --> 01:02:12,160
uh you can change the sensitivity

1679
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:15,039
of the radar so that you get further out

1680
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:16,640
targets beyond

1681
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:18,559
the maximum range

1682
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:20,400
of the range ring and you can set it so

1683
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:22,799
that if you accept a lot of clutter

1684
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:24,079
close to you

1685
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:25,760
you can increase the sensitivity of the

1686
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:28,160
radar further away from you

1687
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:29,440
and so

1688
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:32,559
if there's clutter inside the range the

1689
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,559
first range ring that can be adjusted

1690
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,640
there's all kinds of modes of operation

1691
01:02:43,109 --> 01:02:40,799
on the radar it's not just the

1692
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,119
energy going out and bouncing back

1693
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:45,119
i mean there's internal modulation on

1694
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:46,640
the waveform

1695
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:48,240
there are all kinds of modulations on

1696
01:02:51,990 --> 01:02:49,920
the waveform uh they could be like

1697
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:52,000
frequency modulated it could be phase

1698
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:54,240
shift key modulated there are various

1699
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:56,559
ways to send that signal out and bring

1700
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:58,480
it back and to process it on the

1701
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,920
receiving end

1702
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:01,440
as well so saying that they're all

1703
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:03,680
glitches is ridiculous

1704
01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:05,839
you're right thank you

1705
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:08,559
yeah and and you know also one of these

1706
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:10,000
when we were talking about you know

1707
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:12,960
airlines in their radar it made me think

1708
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:16,720
about the november 2006 o'hare

1709
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:17,599
uh

1710
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:20,640
ufo incident gate c17 i don't know if

1711
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:22,319
you looked into that or ever heard about

1712
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:23,760
that in the past

1713
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:26,400
um but here's here's the question there

1714
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:28,400
does that mean that

1715
01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:30,960
the tower can see planes coming in

1716
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:32,720
through the radar and track them and all

1717
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:35,520
that but they didn't see they would not

1718
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:36,960
see that

1719
01:03:42,549 --> 01:03:40,400
that ufo over gate c17 is that

1720
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:42,559
is that more or less what you're saying

1721
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:44,559
when you're saying they can't detect

1722
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:46,720
these type of objects

1723
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:48,160
well first of all

1724
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:49,920
you have to understand one concept of a

1725
01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:53,599
radar is minimum minimum detection range

1726
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:56,960
and so the pulse of the radar determines

1727
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:01,039
um a blind zone from the radar

1728
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:04,160
to the end of that false first pulse

1729
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:06,240
and i'm getting into i'm going to train

1730
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:08,240
you to be elan analysts

1731
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:10,319
but if you have a mic one microsecond

1732
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:11,520
pulse

1733
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:13,520
in one microsecond that energy goes a

1734
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:15,119
certain distance based on the speed of

1735
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:16,000
light

1736
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:20,000
it's like 300 000

1737
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:22,400
uh kilometers per second i believe

1738
01:04:26,309 --> 01:04:23,680
correct me if i'm wrong but i think it's

1739
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:26,319
300 000 kilometers per second and so

1740
01:04:31,510 --> 01:04:28,640
that's one second now imagine

1741
01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:31,520
300 kilometers 300 000 kilometers

1742
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:33,760
how far

1743
01:04:38,789 --> 01:04:36,799
will it take light to go

1744
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:38,799
how how far will light go in one

1745
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:41,039
microsecond

1746
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:42,480
and so anything within that one

1747
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:45,359
microsecond is blind to the radar

1748
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:47,599
now what you see at the airport is a

1749
01:04:55,589 --> 01:04:49,200
fast spinning

1750
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:55,599
navigation detection equipment

1751
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:56,480
that

1752
01:05:02,789 --> 01:04:59,760
detects using pulse doppler and

1753
01:05:04,870 --> 01:05:02,799
interweaving range waveforms

1754
01:05:07,990 --> 01:05:04,880
they can actually see uh planes on the

1755
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:08,000
ground on the tarmac and on the runway

1756
01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:09,760
they're looking down

1757
01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:11,920
they're not looking up

1758
01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:14,240
and the radars looking up are looking at

1759
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:16,720
iff unless they put it into the raw

1760
01:05:21,910 --> 01:05:18,240
video mode

1761
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:21,920
so i think it's conceivable that if the

1762
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:24,400
object is very close

1763
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:27,599
to the radar it will be within the

1764
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:29,359
pulse width of the radar and everything

1765
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:32,000
anything in the pulse with the radar is

1766
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:34,559
blind to the radar

1767
01:05:39,029 --> 01:05:36,960
that's the minimum detection range

1768
01:05:41,109 --> 01:05:39,039
past that pulse

1769
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:41,119
yeah i don't know if you heard this or

1770
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:43,359
not but i i heard

1771
01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:46,559
that uh lou elizondo said that

1772
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:49,280
uh there's a possibility of a release of

1773
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:52,640
a 23-minute video yes yes so anything

1774
01:05:56,390 --> 01:05:54,480
about that have you heard about that no

1775
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:56,400
i've heard about it i want to see it

1776
01:06:00,630 --> 01:05:58,000
yeah

1777
01:06:02,710 --> 01:06:00,640
i want to see it um

1778
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:02,720
i try to get information out of him but

1779
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:04,880
he said you know basically he couldn't

1780
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:07,280
respond about anything at this time

1781
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:09,119
so that's always frustrating i almost

1782
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:10,720
wish he didn't tease it out there you

1783
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:14,319
know yeah you know so but uh that would

1784
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:17,039
be interesting and do you think

1785
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:18,480
that uh

1786
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:20,400
does it feel like we're going to get

1787
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:23,039
more information as we go along i mean

1788
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:26,400
we've seen such a change since 2017

1789
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:28,000
since the release of the new york times

1790
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:29,359
article and all these people coming

1791
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:31,280
forward but actually a little bit before

1792
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:34,160
that uh for those of us in the ufo field

1793
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,000
we were paying attention to what tom

1794
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:38,079
delonge was doing with you know chris

1795
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:39,839
mellon and and all these different

1796
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:41,680
people that he gathered together as well

1797
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:43,039
as luella

1798
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:45,119
uh so we were watching all that and then

1799
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:47,599
the new york time new york times article

1800
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:50,640
really put put it out there and and

1801
01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:52,880
things have been moving forward do you

1802
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:54,319
feel as though there's

1803
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:58,079
like a movement into information about

1804
01:07:01,990 --> 01:07:00,319
what's going on in general you know the

1805
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:02,000
science will take this more seriously

1806
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:04,240
now all that

1807
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:06,160
i i hope so

1808
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:08,640
that is my fervent hope

1809
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:11,440
and again i go back to the legislation

1810
01:07:15,910 --> 01:07:13,119
when that becomes law

1811
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:15,920
that will have to occur

1812
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:18,640
and um there's also the intelligence

1813
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:21,280
authorization act that had language

1814
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:22,640
i don't know if that language is still

1815
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:23,839
in there

1816
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:24,799
um

1817
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:27,760
and what's going on with the iaa

1818
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:30,799
according to dean johnson the ndaa part

1819
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:32,559
with the gillibrand amendment has been

1820
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:33,680
separated

1821
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:35,280
and is looked at as a separate piece of

1822
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:37,520
legislation that can go forward

1823
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:38,960
that's very good

1824
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:41,440
and i would hope that

1825
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:42,960
there will be an opportunity for

1826
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:46,319
congress to hold open hearings

1827
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:48,640
about this phenomenon open hearings not

1828
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:51,680
closed not classified but open yeah and

1829
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:53,440
i will hope that they would have as

1830
01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:54,720
witnesses

1831
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:56,559
not only people who have seen them

1832
01:08:02,150 --> 01:07:57,839
citizens

1833
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:02,160
who have seen this phenomenon but also

1834
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:04,079
academics who have studied this

1835
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:07,280
phenomenon and i mentioned that in this

1836
01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:08,880
one day symposium there were mostly

1837
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:10,720
academics and very few government people

1838
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:12,160
there

1839
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:14,240
speaking of that why why would you think

1840
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:16,080
that meeting would be unclassified i

1841
01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:17,199
mean that

1842
01:08:20,709 --> 01:08:18,159
yes

1843
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:20,719
you know i don't know uh that surprised

1844
01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:22,640
me the most of all

1845
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:24,319
because when i was invited to this

1846
01:08:27,749 --> 01:08:26,880
meeting the actual subject matter of the

1847
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,759
meeting

1848
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:29,759
was not disclosed to me they said

1849
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:31,199
there's an interesting meeting you might

1850
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:33,279
be uh i think you'll be interested in

1851
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:34,159
going

1852
01:08:38,789 --> 01:08:36,000
and here here's the location of the

1853
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:38,799
meeting and here's where it's at and uh

1854
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:40,000
you don't have to bring a badge or

1855
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,920
anything like that it's okay

1856
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,440
so i went up to the meeting and you know

1857
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:45,600
second floor of this hotel

1858
01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:48,719
um a little conference room um and no no

1859
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:50,799
security officer no badges required i

1860
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:53,440
could bring my cell phone in

1861
01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:55,359
so i don't know why

1862
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:58,239
that was unclassified again

1863
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:00,480
if i can release the names of the people

1864
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:03,359
who sponsored this one day symposium ask

1865
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:05,920
them that question they they would know

1866
01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:07,920
yeah i wouldn't understand why they

1867
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:09,920
would it would be a misinformation thing

1868
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:11,359
i mean that wouldn't make any sense for

1869
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:12,560
them to put on

1870
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:14,640
all this you know for what reason would

1871
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:16,719
that be you know i mean yeah it's just

1872
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:18,960
uh i don't really understand

1873
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:21,279
it also here's a question here someone

1874
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:22,799
wanted me to ask you and i'll try to get

1875
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:24,239
to some of your questions again thank

1876
01:09:28,390 --> 01:09:27,279
you for posting them in caps uh they

1877
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:28,400
want to be asked

1878
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:30,000
do you know about

1879
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:32,400
space junk being recovered on elgin air

1880
01:09:35,669 --> 01:09:33,520
force base

1881
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:35,679
no i don't you don't okay so we'll move

1882
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:37,040
on from that um i thought it was

1883
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:39,120
something you may have talked about uh

1884
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:40,880
before or something like that while i

1885
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:42,159
posted it

1886
01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:43,839
so i just want to go through real

1887
01:09:48,309 --> 01:09:45,040
quickly and see if there's any other

1888
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:48,319
questions here in caps uh we have this

1889
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:50,640
um

1890
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:56,640
you mentioned earlier you talked about

1891
01:10:03,990 --> 01:09:59,280
another quote that lou elizondo that i

1892
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:04,000
heard and kind of was uh kind of eerie

1893
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:06,640
to me what if everything that you

1894
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:08,239
yeah you know

1895
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,800
have been taught is different and what

1896
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:12,159
if there is

1897
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:14,960
something that is you know a higher

1898
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:18,239
level intelligence or i believe i'm um

1899
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:21,040
paraphrasing here but whatever it was uh

1900
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:23,840
you know i listened to that on kirk uh

1901
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:24,719
kirk's

1902
01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:26,880
kurtz show over there at the theory of

1903
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:28,719
everything and i was kind of blown away

1904
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:30,560
by that and it was kind of disturbed by

1905
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:31,280
that

1906
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:32,159
phrase

1907
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:33,679
and i just wonder what you've you

1908
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:35,120
thought about i mean it would only be

1909
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:36,960
speculation on your end nothing you have

1910
01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:39,520
heard about through the cia right

1911
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:41,120
um

1912
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:44,159
no not not specifically with what lou

1913
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:45,360
said

1914
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:47,440
um the closest

1915
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:49,360
that i can draw to what lou said was

1916
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:50,800
again going back to that one day

1917
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:52,080
symposium

1918
01:10:57,750 --> 01:10:55,040
that that humans are hybrids

1919
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:57,760
and is that what lu is that the word liu

1920
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:00,239
kang say hybrid or it can say but the

1921
01:11:04,149 --> 01:11:03,360
pentagon is watching him to say it

1922
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:04,159
um

1923
01:11:10,830 --> 01:11:07,840
i think the word is hybrid and so

1924
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:12,550
closest

1925
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:14,880
clue i got was with this one-day

1926
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:18,320
symposium where the word alien dna

1927
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:19,760
hybrid

1928
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:22,000
um those words were used

1929
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:23,360
and is that the thing that lou's

1930
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:26,000
alluding to that that you know suppose

1931
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:26,960
that

1932
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:30,560
what we were taught about humanity's

1933
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:35,910
was all wrong and so other than that i

1934
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:37,520
can't elaborate

1935
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:40,080
yeah i wish somebody would ask him do

1936
01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:42,480
you no one's asked them these i would

1937
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:45,760
like to post lou on my show

1938
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:47,280
and boy you can imagine what kind of

1939
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:49,120
questions i would have for him coming

1940
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:51,600
from my perspective to him whatever he

1941
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:53,440
can answer though that's the yeah the

1942
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:55,440
problem you know

1943
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:56,960
i've had him you know when i've had him

1944
01:12:01,110 --> 01:11:59,360
on a couple of times he's you know he's

1945
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:01,120
he shied away from some of the questions

1946
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:03,600
because of the nda just like um you

1947
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:05,920
would if i asked you certain questions

1948
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,320
well yeah and the way i would ask it is

1949
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:10,239
you know elicit an answer that's a yes

1950
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:12,480
or no

1951
01:12:16,229 --> 01:12:14,640
if you accidentally explain things

1952
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:16,239
um

1953
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:17,920
i don't think that's effective as ask

1954
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:19,360
him a yes or

1955
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:20,159
no

1956
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:23,199
question phrase it as is there some do

1957
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:25,360
you know of

1958
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:27,120
uh do you know

1959
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:28,480
of the

1960
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:29,760
um

1961
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:31,280
do you know

1962
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:34,239
that u.s government is aware the human

1963
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:36,960
genome contains alien dna

1964
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:38,800
yes or no

1965
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:40,480
see i would say yes

1966
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:42,719
just based on what i heard i would love

1967
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:45,120
to hear what he says

1968
01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:48,159
and if he says i can't talk about it

1969
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:50,239
you know i would think if there isn't he

1970
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:51,679
would say no

1971
01:12:57,030 --> 01:12:54,560
yeah but if he says i have an nda on

1972
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:57,040
alien hybrids and what does that kind of

1973
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,199
imply to you yeah

1974
01:13:02,830 --> 01:13:01,360
i know but i can't tell you yet

1975
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:02,840
right see

1976
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:06,000
so well you know uh i've i've thought

1977
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:08,159
you know this is just my own thinking

1978
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:09,600
nothing to do with any science or

1979
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:10,719
anything like that but i've always

1980
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:11,920
thought that it was

1981
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:14,560
pretty amazing that humans could develop

1982
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:16,239
if they a lot of times they say modern

1983
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:18,239
human you know i've been around 300 000

1984
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:19,920
years some two to three hundred thousand

1985
01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:21,440
years something like that and i always

1986
01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:23,280
thought that wasn't enough

1987
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:25,840
uh for evolution to change

1988
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:27,760
you know us into these intelligent

1989
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:29,679
beings that we are i mean it does seem

1990
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:31,520
kind of strange you know where where was

1991
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:33,600
the leap where was the big change you

1992
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,600
know i know a lot of it came from

1993
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:37,600
cooking with fire and you know that our

1994
01:13:42,149 --> 01:13:40,320
brains could become more developed uh by

1995
01:13:43,830 --> 01:13:42,159
having cooked food cooked meats and

1996
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:43,840
things like that you know but the

1997
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:46,080
neanderthals were were cooking they

1998
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:48,080
found that just you discovered that as

1999
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:50,080
well so i don't and you know they didn't

2000
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:52,960
they kind of died off or or were killed

2001
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:54,960
off or whatever happened to them

2002
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:58,239
um but there is that there are in our

2003
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:00,320
also in our dna you know along the way

2004
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:03,280
in a lot of people's dna

2005
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:04,480
it's that missing link that

2006
01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:06,719
anthropologists

2007
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:07,920
question

2008
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:10,080
yeah the missing link between the what

2009
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:13,280
was what were primates and what became

2010
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:16,320
modern humans right yeah so i've always

2011
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:18,000
thought you know the 300

2012
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:20,560
000 or 200 000 years is not a lot of

2013
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:23,040
time in the scope of time in the scope

2014
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:25,920
of development and evolution it's a it's

2015
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:28,480
a very small fragment of time actually

2016
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:29,600
you know for

2017
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:31,360
change in evolution it is it is a

2018
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:34,000
curious uh curious thing

2019
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:36,320
uh have you heard of the new

2020
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:43,270
i i do not know much about darpa um

2021
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:45,440
i dealt mostly with the intelligence

2022
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:47,440
side the iarpa

2023
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:50,000
side of things and i shared a slide in

2024
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:51,440
my presentation

2025
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:54,480
where anyone can go find what i opera is

2026
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:56,159
up to and actually download

2027
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:58,560
presentations and i shared one called

2028
01:15:02,709 --> 01:14:59,840
mist

2029
01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:02,719
about uh using um like molecular

2030
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:05,120
information storage technology which is

2031
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:07,520
interesting in itself

2032
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:10,880
and so there's those programs are

2033
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:12,480
actually the presentations are

2034
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:14,719
unclassified strangely enough

2035
01:15:17,189 --> 01:15:16,159
um so

2036
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:17,199
you know

2037
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:18,640
that's what i know i don't know too much

2038
01:15:23,669 --> 01:15:20,480
about darpa you know what i know about

2039
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:23,679
darpa is because i follow them uh on my

2040
01:15:28,149 --> 01:15:25,360
linkedin pro

2041
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:28,159
account i i follow the entire military

2042
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:30,560
intelligence complex you know

2043
01:15:34,149 --> 01:15:32,239
i follow them just to figure out what's

2044
01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:34,159
going on and i do follow darpa i don't

2045
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:36,880
know i don't know what exactly

2046
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:38,400
is going on with darpa

2047
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:40,000
now here's a question i asked you this

2048
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:42,800
right at the very beginning but uh but

2049
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:44,320
they wanted to know why you're coming

2050
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:46,480
out now with your theories and not years

2051
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:48,080
ago that's i didn't ask you that and

2052
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:50,239
specifically but had you thought about

2053
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:52,800
talking about this right after you

2054
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:54,080
retired

2055
01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:57,679
oh i talked to my friends about it um

2056
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:59,679
who are still ncia and those who also

2057
01:16:02,630 --> 01:16:00,800
retired

2058
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:02,640
um we've had a running dialogue because

2059
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:04,880
we were like enthusiasts we were ufo

2060
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:06,480
enthusiasts in the building

2061
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:08,239
there were many ufo enthusiasts in the

2062
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:09,199
building

2063
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:11,600
so we talked about we talked about that

2064
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:14,320
uh amongst ourselves we were all fans of

2065
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:16,560
um coast to coast a.m when art bill

2066
01:16:23,189 --> 01:16:20,239
posted and george nuri yeah we were like

2067
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:23,199
zealously following uh every episode and

2068
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:24,719
you know talking about

2069
01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:26,640
uh which you know about last night's

2070
01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:29,280
episode or actually you know we we

2071
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:31,120
streamed it after the fact because it's

2072
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:32,640
so late

2073
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:35,280
uh on the east coast when it's on

2074
01:16:38,709 --> 01:16:37,199
but yeah there was a lot of interest and

2075
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:38,719
secondly um

2076
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:40,640
i was an administrator of an internal

2077
01:16:45,189 --> 01:16:42,560
lotus notes database called the users

2078
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:45,199
group which was divided up into various

2079
01:16:47,830 --> 01:16:46,400
channels

2080
01:16:51,030 --> 01:16:47,840
and um

2081
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:51,040
introduced there uh were like about the

2082
01:16:55,270 --> 01:16:54,000
anunnaki the monuments of mars

2083
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:55,280
um

2084
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:57,120
you name it you know roswell everything

2085
01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:59,120
was thrown in there it's just for open

2086
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:01,280
discussion um

2087
01:17:07,030 --> 01:17:04,239
that's where i got uh information about

2088
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:07,040
uh the cia's role with remote viewing

2089
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:09,520
and also learned about other naval

2090
01:17:14,149 --> 01:17:12,239
encounters that uh that u.s navy

2091
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:14,159
veterans or now ci officers said yeah

2092
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:16,560
when i was in the vietnam war i was on

2093
01:17:20,310 --> 01:17:19,120
uss boston the cruiser and there was a

2094
01:17:22,870 --> 01:17:20,320
ufo

2095
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:22,880
that harassed the ship and we shot it we

2096
01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:24,080
shot at it

2097
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:25,679
i mean there's things like that that

2098
01:17:30,070 --> 01:17:28,400
came just in the banter

2099
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:30,080
nothing official but it's all like in

2100
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:32,560
the banter can you foil it no

2101
01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:34,159
uh it's just an internal discussion

2102
01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:37,120
database and so it's not it's not a

2103
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:38,080
record

2104
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:40,159
that can be foyed that we talked about

2105
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:42,320
these things but we did

2106
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:44,880
i just had someone on my show weeks ago

2107
01:17:49,830 --> 01:17:47,040
that claimed he was on board a ship in

2108
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:49,840
vietnam and they fired at the ufo i

2109
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:51,600
don't think he said it was the uss

2110
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:52,960
boston though

2111
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:54,480
but uh but

2112
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:56,159
you know that is interesting that there

2113
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:57,199
were

2114
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:00,080
so many encounters during vietnam yeah i

2115
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:03,440
think the navy encounters um

2116
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:05,440
i don't think it's by accident

2117
01:18:09,910 --> 01:18:06,640
because

2118
01:18:11,590 --> 01:18:09,920
we do have nuclear ships on the surface

2119
01:18:13,110 --> 01:18:11,600
and we have nuclear ships

2120
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:13,120
under the surface

2121
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:15,040
and of course we have summary launch

2122
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:16,480
ballistic missiles which are nuclear

2123
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:17,600
weapons

2124
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:19,120
under the sea

2125
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:20,960
and um

2126
01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:23,440
i would say that every surface ship is

2127
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:25,360
nuclear capable

2128
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:27,760
there are anti-submarine warfare weapons

2129
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:29,760
in my day it was called the asrock there

2130
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:31,280
were two versions

2131
01:18:37,110 --> 01:18:34,880
one was a um launched by a missile

2132
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:37,120
and it released a torpedo parachute

2133
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:38,880
so the parachute would slow the

2134
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:40,960
torpedo down as it goes into the water

2135
01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:42,800
drop off the parachute and off goes the

2136
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:45,440
torpedo and the other was a def

2137
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:48,159
basically a nuclear depth charge

2138
01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:50,880
that was shot out by this asrock missile

2139
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:53,199
and um would deliver a nuclear weapon

2140
01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:55,679
under the sea was designed to destroy

2141
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:57,840
uh fleek ballistic missile submarines

2142
01:19:01,590 --> 01:18:59,840
that the russians have

2143
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:01,600
to try to knock out the entire summary

2144
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:03,040
and all of their missiles before they

2145
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:04,080
launched

2146
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:07,440
so their every ship is nuclear capable

2147
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:09,920
and i think that navy's involvement with

2148
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:11,679
nuclear power

2149
01:19:15,590 --> 01:19:12,960
um

2150
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:15,600
you know as far as propulsion and as far

2151
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:18,080
as weapons i think they were doing it

2152
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:20,159
long before the air force

2153
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:22,400
they actually have nuclear vessels

2154
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:24,320
the air force does not have nuclear

2155
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:26,719
powered planes as far as i know

2156
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:27,600
so

2157
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:30,000
yeah the navy connection is very very

2158
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:31,520
strong

2159
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:33,679
yes with this entire phenomenon

2160
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:36,719
right right um now this is a question

2161
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:39,679
from actually bill who's the uh producer

2162
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:42,880
at kgra radio he wondered if uh

2163
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:45,120
if presidents the president you can't

2164
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:46,800
see this it's in the private chat you

2165
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:48,800
could go there uh yeah he wants to know

2166
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:51,360
if presidents are aware of the briefings

2167
01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:54,640
or do do the are these things like

2168
01:19:57,669 --> 01:19:56,480
now i do know from having chris mellon

2169
01:19:58,750 --> 01:19:57,679
on the show

2170
01:20:02,630 --> 01:19:58,760
uh in

2171
01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:02,640
2016 that he said that if a president

2172
01:20:10,070 --> 01:20:05,040
wants to know

2173
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:10,080
he can find out what they know but he

2174
01:20:11,830 --> 01:20:10,880
said

2175
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:11,840
they

2176
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:14,000
the way around that is to get it into

2177
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:17,600
private you know into the private sector

2178
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:19,199
right that way they don't there's

2179
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:21,120
there's no congressional you know

2180
01:20:24,629 --> 01:20:22,480
hearings or anything like that there's

2181
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:24,639
no attachment to it what do you think

2182
01:20:28,629 --> 01:20:26,960
about that statement well um first of

2183
01:20:31,030 --> 01:20:28,639
all yes the president has what's known

2184
01:20:32,709 --> 01:20:31,040
as original classification authority

2185
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:32,719
uh the president of the united states

2186
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:34,000
can stand up

2187
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:41,510
the most famous case of that was jimmy

2188
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:43,600
carter who revealed that we had

2189
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:46,480
satellites that can take pictures

2190
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:48,880
and that got the nro spun up because at

2191
01:20:52,149 --> 01:20:50,400
that point you know the fact that we had

2192
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:52,159
satellites to take pictures

2193
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:55,520
uh basically led to the uh nro being a

2194
01:21:01,430 --> 01:20:58,880
declassified agency it was super secret

2195
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:01,440
at one time yeah uh so the president has

2196
01:21:06,149 --> 01:21:03,440
original classification authority

2197
01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:06,159
because of his constitutional authority

2198
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:07,760
as president united states and head of

2199
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:10,480
the executive branch he can

2200
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:12,960
find out anything he wants in the

2201
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:14,480
executive branch

2202
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:15,920
that's true

2203
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:18,159
now to chris mellon's point if you want

2204
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:20,880
to prevent that from happening

2205
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:23,199
you withdraw all of the government money

2206
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:25,920
from any program with no government

2207
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:27,840
money not even a penny of government

2208
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:28,800
money

2209
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:33,120
a program congress no longer has

2210
01:21:38,229 --> 01:21:35,840
oversight over that program you make a

2211
01:21:40,629 --> 01:21:38,239
completely private industry

2212
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:40,639
and let them use their dime

2213
01:21:44,229 --> 01:21:43,040
not one penny no

2214
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:44,239
government

2215
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:46,239
monitoring of their contract

2216
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:48,000
let them go on their own and the

2217
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:50,159
president absolutely has no authority to

2218
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:54,709
wow

2219
01:21:59,189 --> 01:21:56,560
well yeah i've been having said that

2220
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:59,199
once they become a government contractor

2221
01:22:02,709 --> 01:22:00,719
for that program

2222
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:02,719
that they have a contract for

2223
01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:05,199
um they're by extension almost like a

2224
01:22:08,070 --> 01:22:07,120
federal employee in the sense that they

2225
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:08,080
cannot

2226
01:22:11,910 --> 01:22:09,280
execute

2227
01:22:13,270 --> 01:22:11,920
inherit federal government functions as

2228
01:22:16,550 --> 01:22:13,280
an employee

2229
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:16,560
but as a federal contractor they have to

2230
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:18,960
follow certain rules that the executive

2231
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:21,520
branch lays out for them

2232
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,280
so in that sense you know the president

2233
01:22:26,629 --> 01:22:25,199
does have reach into it so does congress

2234
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:26,639
have reached into it

2235
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:28,000
but yeah i mean

2236
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:30,800
if elon musk wants to like do something

2237
01:22:34,629 --> 01:22:32,400
with

2238
01:22:36,790 --> 01:22:34,639
uh spacex that not related to any

2239
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:36,800
government contract we have no authority

2240
01:22:41,590 --> 01:22:39,600
to look into what spacex is doing but

2241
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:41,600
you know as far as you know using their

2242
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:44,000
falcon and falcon heavy as new nro

2243
01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:45,679
launch vehicles

2244
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:48,000
um they're taking over for launching all

2245
01:22:51,590 --> 01:22:49,920
the uh spy satellites for the us

2246
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:51,600
government

2247
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:53,280
and we have complete

2248
01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:55,760
insight into that part of the program

2249
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:57,440
but they can carve that out

2250
01:23:01,510 --> 01:22:59,360
you know if they don't want a certain

2251
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:01,520
part of their business line examined by

2252
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:02,960
the government they just carve it out

2253
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:04,800
but having said that there can be no

2254
01:23:08,790 --> 01:23:06,639
government official

2255
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:08,800
contacting that company for that program

2256
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:11,040
there can be no government dollars even

2257
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:13,120
one penny in that program and then they

2258
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:14,159
can

2259
01:23:17,030 --> 01:23:15,360
pretty much

2260
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:17,040
isolate that program from the president

2261
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:18,800
or anybody in government

2262
01:23:22,310 --> 01:23:20,480
yeah that makes sense

2263
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:22,320
so i'm really curious about what you

2264
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:24,639
said i don't know maybe 15 minutes ago

2265
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:27,920
that you and several colleagues

2266
01:23:33,350 --> 01:23:30,480
had an interest in ufo yes yeah so

2267
01:23:34,470 --> 01:23:33,360
what's up with that in the cia yeah i

2268
01:23:37,189 --> 01:23:34,480
mean you know

2269
01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:37,199
cia is a is a

2270
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:40,480
representative of society in general

2271
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:42,639
we don't we no longer recruit in the

2272
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:45,120
elite ivy league schools like when cia

2273
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:46,480
first started

2274
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:49,360
it was a very elitist organization in

2275
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:51,840
that they were mostly white males from

2276
01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:53,760
the right families

2277
01:23:59,510 --> 01:23:56,480
and their sons went to the right schools

2278
01:24:02,229 --> 01:23:59,520
and the reason i said sons that women

2279
01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:02,239
were very few and far between

2280
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:04,639
there were very few women in cia in the

2281
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:06,560
very early stages

2282
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:11,120
i had supervised a woman with an mba

2283
01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:14,159
and she had other

2284
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:16,480
graduate degrees and she told me the

2285
01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:19,120
story because she was a woman she was

2286
01:24:23,590 --> 01:24:21,440
shown a typewriter

2287
01:24:26,149 --> 01:24:23,600
she was showing a typewriter wow and

2288
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:26,159
that was when cia first started um it

2289
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:28,800
was it was that kind of atmosphere

2290
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:31,520
very elitist uh but now um

2291
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:34,800
we represent more of america

2292
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:36,400
like like we should

2293
01:24:40,550 --> 01:24:39,199
and so americans are interested in ufos

2294
01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:40,560
and so we bring in people who are

2295
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:42,320
interested in ufos

2296
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:44,960
and so there's that discussion secondly

2297
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:47,040
for some reason and i said this before

2298
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:49,280
cia is like devil's tower in close

2299
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:51,280
encounters of third kind we were drawn

2300
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:54,159
to this kind of work for some reason

2301
01:24:58,870 --> 01:24:56,960
we wanted to be cia officers and

2302
01:25:01,669 --> 01:24:58,880
the synchronicities in our life lined up

2303
01:25:02,870 --> 01:25:01,679
so we were in cia

2304
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:02,880
and so

2305
01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:04,960
in that sense you know for some reason

2306
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:06,719
we were drawn to this and we had this

2307
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:09,520
interest coming with us as well

2308
01:25:13,350 --> 01:25:11,520
there are a lot of experiences at cia

2309
01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:13,360
they're people who are believers and

2310
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:16,480
experiencers personally at cia they're

2311
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:17,920
personal experiencers and personal

2312
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:19,840
believers that i contacted

2313
01:25:23,990 --> 01:25:21,440
how do you how do you approach the

2314
01:25:26,070 --> 01:25:24,000
subject to begin with with someone new

2315
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:26,080
like a colleague

2316
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:27,440
oh so

2317
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:28,960
um for me

2318
01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:30,800
uh with the people who dealt with me

2319
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:34,000
personally yeah with my interest i had a

2320
01:25:38,229 --> 01:25:35,440
little uh

2321
01:25:40,149 --> 01:25:38,239
zetta reticular doll it was green it

2322
01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:40,159
wasn't it wasn't uh gray but it was

2323
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:42,320
green and it had the almond shaped eyes

2324
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:44,400
and everything and it was bendable so i

2325
01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:46,400
used to bend it and put on top of my

2326
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:48,320
dell monitor back when there were crt

2327
01:25:51,669 --> 01:25:49,920
monitors and you can actually put

2328
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:51,679
something on top of that monitor so

2329
01:25:56,790 --> 01:25:54,400
people knew i was interested in ufos and

2330
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:56,800
i made no qualms about it and so you

2331
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:58,880
know work out around and you know people

2332
01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:59,600
were

2333
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:01,120
and then when i became an administrator

2334
01:26:05,830 --> 01:26:04,080
of the users group database

2335
01:26:09,270 --> 01:26:05,840
and i saw that there were topics like

2336
01:26:12,310 --> 01:26:09,280
that esoteric topics in that database

2337
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,320
uh not just nuts and bolts i.t stuff

2338
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:14,400
uh but they were like questions about

2339
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:16,400
you know how how do you

2340
01:26:20,709 --> 01:26:18,480
up the frame rate in this game so i got

2341
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:20,719
this nvidia card and what do i do to

2342
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:21,520
like

2343
01:26:25,189 --> 01:26:23,280
get my frame rates up when i play this

2344
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:25,199
game i really was just basically like a

2345
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:27,520
free-for-all for it as long as i t

2346
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:29,520
really or technology related we could

2347
01:26:33,669 --> 01:26:31,440
talk about anything and they would share

2348
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:33,679
the information in that in that channel

2349
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:35,440
and so i would like contact them and

2350
01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:37,360
they would contact me that's when i

2351
01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:40,080
learned that there was this

2352
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:41,920
group of people that were enthusiasts at

2353
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:44,560
cia it was not a big deal it was not

2354
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:46,000
something that we hush hushed on

2355
01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:47,280
anything like that

2356
01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:48,960
yeah but having said that

2357
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:51,520
there was something official

2358
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:53,360
at cia and it was in the office that

2359
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:56,239
sponsored that one-day symposium

2360
01:27:01,990 --> 01:26:57,120
yeah

2361
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:02,000
you're you're saying in the dod

2362
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:04,400
is where lives most of the

2363
01:27:09,910 --> 01:27:07,440
you know the ufo uh say studio whatever

2364
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:09,920
it is but is there part of any part of

2365
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:12,000
central intelligence and all the 18

2366
01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:14,080
branches i believe there are

2367
01:27:18,550 --> 01:27:15,040
that

2368
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:18,560
actually would uh pick up the mantle and

2369
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:21,440
uh study curiously study what an

2370
01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:23,840
encounter of some kind that would seem

2371
01:27:27,910 --> 01:27:25,679
like it might be a threat

2372
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:27,920
to you know airspace or anything like

2373
01:27:34,229 --> 01:27:30,320
that is there ever any involvement the

2374
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:34,239
cia would do cia isn't interested in um

2375
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:36,800
like title 10 kind of threats

2376
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:38,400
that's why i differentiated in my

2377
01:27:43,030 --> 01:27:40,400
presentation one of the important points

2378
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:43,040
was there are two sets of laws governing

2379
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:45,120
the way intelligence is conducted one is

2380
01:27:48,950 --> 01:27:46,560
the military side the defense side and

2381
01:27:50,229 --> 01:27:48,960
one is the civilian cia side

2382
01:27:52,629 --> 01:27:50,239
and so

2383
01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:52,639
i would say that when i do analysis on

2384
01:27:57,750 --> 01:27:55,040
uap's ufo it doesn't matter

2385
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:57,760
any any analysis i do

2386
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:00,960
in my office which was

2387
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:03,040
related to understanding how russian

2388
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:04,320
weapons worked

2389
01:28:08,709 --> 01:28:06,239
from the electronic standpoint from the

2390
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:08,719
radar standpoint

2391
01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:11,040
we were looking mostly at

2392
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:13,360
the actual nuts and bolts of the signal

2393
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:14,800
the science and technology the

2394
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:17,520
engineering that went into that device

2395
01:28:22,149 --> 01:28:19,520
to make it do what it did

2396
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:22,159
and so at that point

2397
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:24,639
um the dia

2398
01:28:30,070 --> 01:28:26,639
taking that information from us and from

2399
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:30,080
nsa as well they would then model

2400
01:28:36,790 --> 01:28:33,360
what we analyzed into

2401
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:36,800
uh a assessment of how does that weapon

2402
01:28:42,149 --> 01:28:39,679
system the russians have

2403
01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:42,159
stack up to our weapons systems so they

2404
01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:44,960
do these modeling simulation of that

2405
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:47,199
weapon system against what we have and

2406
01:28:50,950 --> 01:28:49,760
that's dia's job

2407
01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:50,960
to do that

2408
01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:54,880
sure enough when it uh when um

2409
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:57,840
a uh when they when the pentagon has a

2410
01:29:02,229 --> 01:29:00,239
brand new weapon system

2411
01:29:04,310 --> 01:29:02,239
you know and they the

2412
01:29:06,229 --> 01:29:04,320
all the analysis is that you know it's

2413
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:06,239
great you know it does everything we

2414
01:29:10,229 --> 01:29:08,320
need more of these and so we do the

2415
01:29:12,550 --> 01:29:10,239
analysis of a russian weapon system and

2416
01:29:14,310 --> 01:29:12,560
they built really good stuff and we

2417
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:14,320
praise it to the high heavens because my

2418
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:16,320
gosh this is a really good weapon system

2419
01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:18,239
the di accepts that he said great you

2420
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:20,320
know we need to build more of these as

2421
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:25,360
that what we build ages and gets older

2422
01:29:29,669 --> 01:29:28,320
and older you know all of a sudden um

2423
01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:29,679
they want

2424
01:29:33,669 --> 01:29:31,920
that their analysis to say how crappy

2425
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:33,679
their weapon systems are because then

2426
01:29:36,629 --> 01:29:35,360
they want to justify building getting

2427
01:29:39,189 --> 01:29:36,639
something new

2428
01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:39,199
yeah and so at that point

2429
01:29:43,270 --> 01:29:41,199
uh you know they use our analysis of how

2430
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:43,280
great the russians are and they use that

2431
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:45,760
to say oh the russians have so much good

2432
01:29:50,070 --> 01:29:47,520
stuff and our stuff is so much you know

2433
01:29:52,790 --> 01:29:50,080
so bad we need to build more of these

2434
01:29:54,070 --> 01:29:52,800
and so it's a greater threat then

2435
01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:54,080
yeah so they're they're mostly

2436
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:55,360
threat-based

2437
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:57,360
and that's what they paid to do to be

2438
01:30:00,470 --> 01:29:58,800
threat-based because they want our

2439
01:30:02,950 --> 01:30:00,480
forces to have

2440
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:02,960
uh what we need to counter any

2441
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:04,320
adversarial

2442
01:30:08,390 --> 01:30:05,520
system

2443
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:08,400
uh we in cia are more science technology

2444
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:09,760
engineering based we just want to know

2445
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:11,600
how things work

2446
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:12,400
yeah

2447
01:30:17,270 --> 01:30:14,960
right i got it okay so i'm going to put

2448
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:17,280
the phone number up here and i'd like

2449
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:18,960
for those of you that call in to have a

2450
01:30:23,590 --> 01:30:20,880
really good question i almost don't want

2451
01:30:25,669 --> 01:30:23,600
to take up time uh for using phone calls

2452
01:30:28,149 --> 01:30:25,679
but uh bring your a-game if you're gonna

2453
01:30:31,229 --> 01:30:28,159
call police and the bill is standing by

2454
01:30:35,910 --> 01:30:33,350
855-472-5483 and if you have a good

2455
01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:35,920
question please do uh please do call in

2456
01:30:40,229 --> 01:30:38,320
at that number uh be respectful of our

2457
01:30:42,229 --> 01:30:40,239
guest uh john tonight

2458
01:30:44,470 --> 01:30:42,239
and uh bill will be taking those calls

2459
01:30:45,990 --> 01:30:44,480
over there at kgra radio and we'll go

2460
01:30:47,510 --> 01:30:46,000
over with you about your

2461
01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:47,520
your radio in the background and all

2462
01:30:51,590 --> 01:30:48,480
that stuff

2463
01:30:53,350 --> 01:30:51,600
so uh he's ready to go so that number

2464
01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:53,360
again is eight five five four seven two

2465
01:30:57,669 --> 01:30:55,360
five four eight three let's talk uh

2466
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:57,679
until we get the first caller on board

2467
01:31:01,669 --> 01:31:00,000
let's talk about you had a childhood

2468
01:31:03,910 --> 01:31:01,679
sighting

2469
01:31:05,830 --> 01:31:03,920
uh talk about that

2470
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:05,840
there were childhood experiences

2471
01:31:11,590 --> 01:31:09,840
experiences okay of being taken

2472
01:31:14,310 --> 01:31:11,600
all right um i'm

2473
01:31:16,709 --> 01:31:14,320
i'm open to talking about it if you are

2474
01:31:18,629 --> 01:31:16,719
uh i will be talking about it uh in a

2475
01:31:21,030 --> 01:31:18,639
future interview with uh another

2476
01:31:23,669 --> 01:31:21,040
podcaster but i can say that most of my

2477
01:31:24,709 --> 01:31:23,679
early experiences dealt with uh

2478
01:31:27,189 --> 01:31:24,719
actually

2479
01:31:28,550 --> 01:31:27,199
having encounters with the beings

2480
01:31:31,270 --> 01:31:28,560
themselves

2481
01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:31,280
my actual craft encounter didn't happen

2482
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:32,239
until

2483
01:31:37,510 --> 01:31:35,520
i was um my early teens i think i was in

2484
01:31:40,709 --> 01:31:37,520
the seventh grade or eighth grade that

2485
01:31:44,310 --> 01:31:40,719
age where i was taking a board of craft

2486
01:31:46,709 --> 01:31:44,320
um and then i had encounters with an uh

2487
01:31:49,030 --> 01:31:46,719
orange orb

2488
01:31:51,590 --> 01:31:49,040
on an airplane i think i described that

2489
01:31:53,830 --> 01:31:51,600
of having listening to the pilot

2490
01:31:55,430 --> 01:31:53,840
talking to ground control saying that

2491
01:31:58,229 --> 01:31:55,440
there's a orange

2492
01:31:59,669 --> 01:31:58,239
you know something crossing his path and

2493
01:32:01,669 --> 01:31:59,679
going to the starboard side and i was

2494
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:01,679
sitting on the server side opening uh

2495
01:32:04,790 --> 01:32:02,880
you know the

2496
01:32:06,950 --> 01:32:04,800
the window to see out

2497
01:32:08,310 --> 01:32:06,960
the shade and i could see the orange orb

2498
01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:08,320
receding

2499
01:32:12,470 --> 01:32:10,000
and then like following us a little bit

2500
01:32:15,350 --> 01:32:12,480
and then it faded away as we were going

2501
01:32:18,149 --> 01:32:15,360
to of all places a ufo conference

2502
01:32:19,910 --> 01:32:18,159
um so that was a synchronicity there and

2503
01:32:21,990 --> 01:32:19,920
the other one was on a balcony here in

2504
01:32:24,310 --> 01:32:22,000
arizona when i lived in an apartment

2505
01:32:27,750 --> 01:32:24,320
before i bought this house uh

2506
01:32:30,709 --> 01:32:27,760
i've seen an orb during a ce6 encounter

2507
01:32:31,990 --> 01:32:30,719
uh or a close encounter ce6 type with

2508
01:32:35,189 --> 01:32:32,000
mark sims

2509
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:35,199
where i saw a um

2510
01:32:38,310 --> 01:32:36,480
an orb that

2511
01:32:40,550 --> 01:32:38,320
then gave me a message that you have

2512
01:32:42,550 --> 01:32:40,560
many things to you you know many things

2513
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:42,560
and it's time for you to share

2514
01:32:48,390 --> 01:32:44,480
what you know

2515
01:32:51,270 --> 01:32:48,400
and so that was july of 2020 and here we

2516
01:32:53,750 --> 01:32:51,280
are in you know december 2021

2517
01:32:56,470 --> 01:32:53,760
and everything that has occurred since

2518
01:32:57,750 --> 01:32:56,480
then um it was related to my need to

2519
01:32:59,110 --> 01:32:57,760
share that

2520
01:33:00,709 --> 01:32:59,120
information and here i am trying to

2521
01:33:03,750 --> 01:33:00,719
share what i know

2522
01:33:06,550 --> 01:33:03,760
all right okay um so i will ask the

2523
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:06,560
question in a little bit here uh why uh

2524
01:33:09,590 --> 01:33:08,400
you're saving some of those encounters

2525
01:33:11,990 --> 01:33:09,600
but i think i've heard you talk about

2526
01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:12,000
your experiences on another podcast but

2527
01:33:14,790 --> 01:33:13,920
we have plenty to talk about we have

2528
01:33:19,830 --> 01:33:14,800
chris

2529
01:33:26,629 --> 01:33:19,840
friend he's on the line right now uh

2530
01:33:31,030 --> 01:33:27,910
go ahead chris

2531
01:33:33,750 --> 01:33:31,040
okay i have a question here um for john

2532
01:33:36,390 --> 01:33:33,760
because he sounds exceedingly credible

2533
01:33:38,709 --> 01:33:36,400
but given his years of working for the

2534
01:33:41,030 --> 01:33:38,719
agency in different areas and uh and the

2535
01:33:43,270 --> 01:33:41,040
history of the ci and whoever may be

2536
01:33:44,709 --> 01:33:43,280
making the ultimate decisions

2537
01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:44,719
i've heard referred to as the watch

2538
01:33:48,229 --> 01:33:46,480
committee level people

2539
01:33:49,350 --> 01:33:48,239
considering the ramifications of this

2540
01:33:51,270 --> 01:33:49,360
subject

2541
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:51,280
does he think it's realistic for the

2542
01:33:55,590 --> 01:33:53,440
common people to ever think that anyone

2543
01:33:57,510 --> 01:33:55,600
at those shadowy levels

2544
01:34:01,750 --> 01:33:57,520
would ever tell us the whole real truth

2545
01:34:06,950 --> 01:34:03,110
the whole truth

2546
01:34:08,870 --> 01:34:06,960
uh i mean i doubt that

2547
01:34:11,189 --> 01:34:08,880
even elizondo kind of backs off on some

2548
01:34:12,149 --> 01:34:11,199
of this but right just make sure you

2549
01:34:13,510 --> 01:34:12,159
know

2550
01:34:14,629 --> 01:34:13,520
yeah i don't think it's going to happen

2551
01:34:16,629 --> 01:34:14,639
all at once

2552
01:34:17,750 --> 01:34:16,639
i always use the metaphor of building

2553
01:34:20,709 --> 01:34:17,760
bridges

2554
01:34:22,470 --> 01:34:20,719
and so just having dni abraham say

2555
01:34:24,629 --> 01:34:22,480
extraterrestrially

2556
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:24,639
uh was a major part of that bridge being

2557
01:34:27,510 --> 01:34:25,520
built

2558
01:34:29,189 --> 01:34:27,520
uh before that was the release of the

2559
01:34:30,790 --> 01:34:29,199
actual craft

2560
01:34:34,390 --> 01:34:30,800
and with the release of these craft

2561
01:34:35,189 --> 01:34:34,400
there are still people who say it's

2562
01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:35,199
like

2563
01:34:39,830 --> 01:34:37,520
cgi

2564
01:34:41,590 --> 01:34:39,840
and you know it just seems incredible

2565
01:34:43,430 --> 01:34:41,600
that people still say that but i think

2566
01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:43,440
there's disturbed more by not what

2567
01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:46,400
they're seeing by but rather the uh

2568
01:34:50,870 --> 01:34:48,480
the message that might be behind what

2569
01:34:53,510 --> 01:34:50,880
they're seeing might disturb them

2570
01:34:56,070 --> 01:34:53,520
um and that we're not like

2571
01:34:57,830 --> 01:34:56,080
exceptional in the universe and you know

2572
01:35:00,070 --> 01:34:57,840
we're not the only civilization in the

2573
01:35:02,070 --> 01:35:00,080
entire universe

2574
01:35:03,510 --> 01:35:02,080
but whatever reasons they have

2575
01:35:04,790 --> 01:35:03,520
objections to it

2576
01:35:06,470 --> 01:35:04,800
um

2577
01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:06,480
you know they will not be accepting of

2578
01:35:10,790 --> 01:35:08,400
the full message anyway and i think it's

2579
01:35:13,430 --> 01:35:10,800
going to be a gradual release i use the

2580
01:35:16,149 --> 01:35:13,440
term control dissemination

2581
01:35:19,270 --> 01:35:16,159
and i think eventually we'll have to

2582
01:35:21,669 --> 01:35:19,280
bridge make a bridge to the hybrid story

2583
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:21,679
because then you can actually then build

2584
01:35:25,910 --> 01:35:23,920
a bridge as to who they are

2585
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:25,920
why they're interacting with us

2586
01:35:30,950 --> 01:35:28,400
what our true origins and what is the

2587
01:35:33,910 --> 01:35:30,960
message they have for us in the care of

2588
01:35:37,430 --> 01:35:33,920
our planet the care of our planet to me

2589
01:35:39,430 --> 01:35:37,440
personally is what i get in my downloads

2590
01:35:42,070 --> 01:35:39,440
when i meditate

2591
01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:42,080
the message to me is we need to care for

2592
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:44,400
the planet because if we don't we're

2593
01:35:48,629 --> 01:35:46,560
going to lose it

2594
01:35:50,709 --> 01:35:48,639
and they don't want us to lose it it

2595
01:35:53,030 --> 01:35:50,719
goes against again to the petri dish

2596
01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:53,040
that they had some

2597
01:35:58,790 --> 01:35:54,239
uh

2598
01:36:01,109 --> 01:35:58,800
and

2599
01:36:02,629 --> 01:36:01,119
for them we are their children

2600
01:36:04,310 --> 01:36:02,639
and i think that's that relationship

2601
01:36:06,470 --> 01:36:04,320
that we have with them then again

2602
01:36:08,550 --> 01:36:06,480
there's the disturbing aspects

2603
01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:08,560
the trickster element that we can't we

2604
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:09,360
can't

2605
01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:10,719
understand

2606
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:13,360
so i eventually i think it will come out

2607
01:36:18,310 --> 01:36:16,159
hopefully in our lifetimes

2608
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:18,320
thank you for the call christian

2609
01:36:22,550 --> 01:36:20,159
great thanks martin have a good day bye

2610
01:36:24,310 --> 01:36:22,560
all right talk to you soon all right uh

2611
01:36:25,910 --> 01:36:24,320
now we do have the phone line stacked up

2612
01:36:27,189 --> 01:36:25,920
just to let everyone know i don't think

2613
01:36:29,030 --> 01:36:27,199
we're gonna be able to take any more

2614
01:36:31,669 --> 01:36:29,040
calls and who's on hold right now but

2615
01:36:33,030 --> 01:36:31,679
possibly we might be able to uh jeff

2616
01:36:38,229 --> 01:36:33,040
you're on the line you're live on the

2617
01:36:38,239 --> 01:36:42,470
jeff you are live on the air welcome

2618
01:36:48,149 --> 01:36:45,910
good evening mark and uh mr ramirez

2619
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:48,159
uh

2620
01:36:52,709 --> 01:36:49,600
go right ahead

2621
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:52,719
yeah yeah mr razor good evening uh

2622
01:36:57,030 --> 01:36:55,280
this is absolutely uh

2623
01:36:58,470 --> 01:36:57,040
fascinating a man viewer isn't electing

2624
01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:58,480
the information you have that's coming

2625
01:37:03,189 --> 01:37:00,719
across here on this program this is this

2626
01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:03,199
is absolutely fantastic i believe what

2627
01:37:06,950 --> 01:37:04,960
we're seeing is

2628
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:06,960
actual disclosure

2629
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:08,400
and um

2630
01:37:11,669 --> 01:37:09,840
another thing i wanted to say real quick

2631
01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:11,679
i won't be i'll get cut short martin

2632
01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:13,920
because i know you want to talk to him

2633
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:16,239
um you know you had data from on these

2634
01:37:19,990 --> 01:37:17,760
orange orbs

2635
01:37:22,229 --> 01:37:20,000
from satellites you know at 80 000 feet

2636
01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:22,239
you just see a light

2637
01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:23,920
i had a close encounter i'm an

2638
01:37:28,470 --> 01:37:25,280
experiencer

2639
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:28,480
at 40 feet down at ground level

2640
01:37:32,709 --> 01:37:30,960
and interesting fact about these orange

2641
01:37:34,390 --> 01:37:32,719
orbs is they're

2642
01:37:37,430 --> 01:37:34,400
they're engulfed in a plasma field is

2643
01:37:39,430 --> 01:37:37,440
the only way that i could describe it

2644
01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:39,440
but from directly underneath when we had

2645
01:37:44,149 --> 01:37:41,520
a couple we all we saw four from

2646
01:37:46,470 --> 01:37:44,159
directly underneath at 40 feet in broad

2647
01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:46,480
daylight you could see the components of

2648
01:37:51,910 --> 01:37:48,880
the machine inside

2649
01:37:53,270 --> 01:37:51,920
and there's still distortion

2650
01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:53,280
it looks like it ought to be buzzing

2651
01:37:56,550 --> 01:37:54,880
like from a transformer you know what

2652
01:37:59,669 --> 01:37:56,560
you're looking at

2653
01:38:01,350 --> 01:37:59,679
and but they're i believe what they are

2654
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:01,360
you know how these things divide go with

2655
01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:03,679
six pieces and then divide scatter out

2656
01:38:08,709 --> 01:38:05,840
and come back and go to one

2657
01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:08,719
uh what i saw were round spheres

2658
01:38:13,430 --> 01:38:11,760
at components of a machine in there

2659
01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:13,440
and uh

2660
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:16,400
the only other thing i want to say was

2661
01:38:20,709 --> 01:38:18,560
uh

2662
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:20,719
the most disturbing thing i've had these

2663
01:38:24,550 --> 01:38:22,880
experiences for years here

2664
01:38:26,310 --> 01:38:24,560
is they can and i'm you know i've always

2665
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:26,320
been reluctant to say this because you

2666
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:27,840
know people think you're crazy but now

2667
01:38:32,790 --> 01:38:30,400
it's out the open

2668
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:32,800
they can read your mind

2669
01:38:38,229 --> 01:38:35,760
i don't know how you could possibly

2670
01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:38,239
try to study something or the military

2671
01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:40,560
try to defend against something

2672
01:38:45,109 --> 01:38:43,119
that can read your mind i know they can

2673
01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:45,119
read your mind trust me because i can

2674
01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:46,639
think about them and they'll appear and

2675
01:38:51,750 --> 01:38:48,400
i can do this at will i've done it for

2676
01:38:53,910 --> 01:38:51,760
years what it means i have no idea i

2677
01:38:55,030 --> 01:38:53,920
don't have any uh recollection of

2678
01:38:56,870 --> 01:38:55,040
abduction

2679
01:38:59,189 --> 01:38:56,880
or any of this but they would appear for

2680
01:39:01,109 --> 01:38:59,199
me or disappear

2681
01:39:02,310 --> 01:39:01,119
just thinking about them

2682
01:39:04,550 --> 01:39:02,320
and um

2683
01:39:07,510 --> 01:39:04,560
i swear to you that's the truth

2684
01:39:08,709 --> 01:39:07,520
it's strangeness uh beyond you know and

2685
01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:08,719
then there's a strangeness you're

2686
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:10,320
talking about

2687
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:12,719
uh there is no fringe anymore they used

2688
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:14,480
to always go away tell you a crazy story

2689
01:39:18,149 --> 01:39:16,400
they go oh that's fringe

2690
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:18,159
i think when we're gonna get into this

2691
01:39:22,390 --> 01:39:20,080
subject deep

2692
01:39:24,149 --> 01:39:22,400
there is no fringe anymore

2693
01:39:26,310 --> 01:39:24,159
friends

2694
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:26,320
anything is possible the strangeness the

2695
01:39:29,109 --> 01:39:27,760
high strangeness

2696
01:39:31,030 --> 01:39:29,119
that's all um

2697
01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:31,040
that's all i'll say all right jeff thank

2698
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:32,719
you

2699
01:39:38,149 --> 01:39:35,440
anything i would just say one thing

2700
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:38,159
about reading one's mind uh in my

2701
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:40,400
experience they want to communicate and

2702
01:39:44,310 --> 01:39:42,560
so the reading of the mind is one thing

2703
01:39:46,870 --> 01:39:44,320
but also i would say if you have an

2704
01:39:48,550 --> 01:39:46,880
experience with an orb or any of this

2705
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:48,560
type of craft

2706
01:39:52,950 --> 01:39:50,320
to ask yourself

2707
01:39:54,870 --> 01:39:52,960
what is what do you want to tell me ask

2708
01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:54,880
it questions and see if you get an

2709
01:39:59,750 --> 01:39:57,040
answer and that's what mindful

2710
01:40:01,590 --> 01:39:59,760
meditation practice mindful meditation

2711
01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:01,600
learn how to put your mind in that state

2712
01:40:06,149 --> 01:40:03,440
and ask it questions

2713
01:40:09,750 --> 01:40:06,159
and we might get answers just for you

2714
01:40:11,109 --> 01:40:09,760
they're appearing for you for a purpose

2715
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:11,119
interesting i also think it's

2716
01:40:16,149 --> 01:40:13,440
interesting that all these people that

2717
01:40:19,109 --> 01:40:16,159
i've heard talk about getting this met a

2718
01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:19,119
message the message is take care of the

2719
01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:21,280
planet right when you hear the most of

2720
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:23,360
them right right and that that's gonna

2721
01:40:28,470 --> 01:40:25,520
mean something somewhere along the line

2722
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:28,480
uh we have rocky from missouri rocky

2723
01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:29,920
welcome to the show you're live on the

2724
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:32,480
air right now

2725
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:34,000
hey martin how you doing tonight and

2726
01:40:37,189 --> 01:40:35,520
john thank you for being on the show

2727
01:40:39,109 --> 01:40:37,199
it's pretty awesome listen to your

2728
01:40:40,709 --> 01:40:39,119
experiences

2729
01:40:42,629 --> 01:40:40,719
thank you

2730
01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:42,639
you've got a question for josh

2731
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:43,840
yeah

2732
01:40:47,590 --> 01:40:46,000
uh well kind of both of you martin

2733
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:47,600
because i'd like to hear your opinion on

2734
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:48,960
this too

2735
01:40:52,149 --> 01:40:50,400
i noticed something i've been paying

2736
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:52,159
attention to the topic for a very long

2737
01:40:55,669 --> 01:40:53,920
time and i'm a truck driver so i have a

2738
01:40:57,669 --> 01:40:55,679
lot of time on my hands to listen to a

2739
01:40:58,870 --> 01:40:57,679
lot of different things

2740
01:41:02,390 --> 01:40:58,880
and

2741
01:41:03,189 --> 01:41:02,400
how put off in his ses

2742
01:41:05,990 --> 01:41:03,199
uh

2743
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:06,000
lecture stated that some of the main

2744
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:08,880
materials that the government has

2745
01:41:15,510 --> 01:41:12,719
act as wave guides quote

2746
01:41:17,189 --> 01:41:15,520
now bob lazar

2747
01:41:19,510 --> 01:41:17,199
even though there's a lot of controversy

2748
01:41:20,790 --> 01:41:19,520
around it said one of the things that he

2749
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:20,800
worked on

2750
01:41:25,270 --> 01:41:22,400
at s4

2751
01:41:27,350 --> 01:41:25,280
as part of the craft acted as gravity

2752
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:27,360
wave guides

2753
01:41:31,830 --> 01:41:29,440
and i just thought that the

2754
01:41:33,030 --> 01:41:31,840
consistency between those two statements

2755
01:41:35,590 --> 01:41:33,040
was very

2756
01:41:39,750 --> 01:41:35,600
oh let's say coincidental

2757
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:42,550
well i'm not a physicist so um but i am

2758
01:42:14,790 --> 01:41:44,239
a

2759
01:42:17,189 --> 01:42:14,800
energy

2760
01:42:20,070 --> 01:42:17,199
around the craft maybe

2761
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:20,080
and that's why we see a glow because

2762
01:42:25,270 --> 01:42:22,560
there might be some

2763
01:42:27,590 --> 01:42:25,280
visible artifact of that energy flowing

2764
01:42:30,390 --> 01:42:27,600
around the craft that's being

2765
01:42:32,390 --> 01:42:30,400
transmitted through these wave guides

2766
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:32,400
around the craft so that's the only

2767
01:42:40,629 --> 01:42:37,270
interesting

2768
01:42:42,550 --> 01:42:40,639
anything else uh rock

2769
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:42,560
no again thank you guys for what you do

2770
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:44,080
and i appreciate it i just thought it

2771
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:46,960
was a a very interesting

2772
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:49,040
piece of information that you know may

2773
01:42:53,030 --> 01:42:51,040
lend a little bit more credence to what

2774
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:53,040
mr lazar said and maybe he is a

2775
01:42:57,669 --> 01:42:55,360
whistleblower and not a kook

2776
01:42:59,669 --> 01:42:57,679
well i have mixed feelings on that one

2777
01:43:01,270 --> 01:42:59,679
but rocky when i say keep my eye keep

2778
01:43:02,950 --> 01:43:01,280
your eyes to the sky keep your eyes on

2779
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:02,960
the road instead okay

2780
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:05,199
thank thanks for calling me i do i do

2781
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:07,280
both sir have a good night all right all

2782
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:10,880
right so just uh real quickly um the one

2783
01:43:15,510 --> 01:43:13,360
ufo sighting that i know was the ufo

2784
01:43:18,310 --> 01:43:15,520
because it was so strange but it was a a

2785
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:18,320
disc with a blue glow around it

2786
01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:19,920
you know you just talked about the glow

2787
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:22,480
around something and that that had like

2788
01:43:27,590 --> 01:43:24,880
i can't really just like a cool color of

2789
01:43:30,550 --> 01:43:27,600
you know the the very light blue

2790
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:30,560
glow all around it and uh it that was a

2791
01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:31,760
strange

2792
01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:35,840
have charles calling from las vegas

2793
01:43:44,950 --> 01:43:42,310
hey martin hey john uh thank you for

2794
01:43:46,629 --> 01:43:44,960
your service i really love your show

2795
01:43:47,669 --> 01:43:46,639
uh john you too thank you for your

2796
01:43:50,470 --> 01:43:47,679
service

2797
01:43:55,270 --> 01:43:50,480
um my name is charles um

2798
01:43:59,430 --> 01:43:55,280
i served in the navy from 2004 to 2009

2799
01:44:01,189 --> 01:43:59,440
um i was stationed on the uss dallas

2800
01:44:03,030 --> 01:44:01,199
i was at navit

2801
01:44:06,470 --> 01:44:03,040
um

2802
01:44:09,270 --> 01:44:06,480
had a top secret sti clearance

2803
01:44:12,550 --> 01:44:09,280
i have a couple stories i think

2804
01:44:16,149 --> 01:44:12,560
can add to this conversation

2805
01:44:18,390 --> 01:44:16,159
um i did want to ask you a question too

2806
01:44:19,990 --> 01:44:18,400
um so i'll just start with that

2807
01:44:22,310 --> 01:44:20,000
right i guess

2808
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:22,320
both of you guys uh do you think

2809
01:44:27,669 --> 01:44:25,600
it's a crime against humanity that this

2810
01:44:32,709 --> 01:44:27,679
is being that this topic

2811
01:44:36,149 --> 01:44:34,470
what do you think of that john

2812
01:44:37,430 --> 01:44:36,159
um

2813
01:44:40,229 --> 01:44:37,440
if

2814
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:40,239
they're holding on to this information

2815
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:42,719
because the companies who are working on

2816
01:44:45,669 --> 01:44:44,159
let's say reverse engineering the

2817
01:44:50,070 --> 01:44:45,679
technology

2818
01:44:52,550 --> 01:44:50,080
in order to perpetuate

2819
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:52,560
a fossil fuel industry

2820
01:44:56,709 --> 01:44:54,000
and

2821
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:56,719
continue to

2822
01:45:00,310 --> 01:44:57,600
not

2823
01:45:02,629 --> 01:45:00,320
provide us with a better form of energy

2824
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:02,639
that's non-polluting i would say that is

2825
01:45:07,510 --> 01:45:04,800
a crime against humanity

2826
01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:07,520
for sure if if that's their intent

2827
01:45:11,430 --> 01:45:09,760
if it's because they don't understand

2828
01:45:13,270 --> 01:45:11,440
what's going on they're earnestly

2829
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:13,280
looking at the technology

2830
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:15,360
and they can make some of it work um

2831
01:45:19,750 --> 01:45:17,199
they can like make it fly in our

2832
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:19,760
atmosphere but beyond that

2833
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:21,119
then i don't think it's a crime against

2834
01:45:25,109 --> 01:45:23,199
humanity but it's the intent of why

2835
01:45:27,030 --> 01:45:25,119
they're holding on to it that i think

2836
01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:27,040
it's important to understand

2837
01:45:31,830 --> 01:45:28,880
why are they holding on to it

2838
01:45:34,070 --> 01:45:31,840
um so if russia has this technology if

2839
01:45:34,950 --> 01:45:34,080
china has and we have it why not share

2840
01:45:37,510 --> 01:45:34,960
it

2841
01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:37,520
um so that's that's my opinion about

2842
01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:39,440
that and it goes back to caring for our

2843
01:45:43,109 --> 01:45:40,480
planet

2844
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:43,119
um that this technology if it provides

2845
01:45:46,950 --> 01:45:45,280
us with clean energy

2846
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:46,960
um

2847
01:45:50,550 --> 01:45:49,600
i would say holding that technology back

2848
01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:50,560
from

2849
01:45:58,709 --> 01:45:54,719
so

2850
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:58,719
you about four minutes because of the

2851
01:46:02,470 --> 01:46:00,239
other callers waiting

2852
01:46:03,830 --> 01:46:02,480
um so just keep that in mind you said

2853
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:03,840
you had a couple stories you wanted to

2854
01:46:11,669 --> 01:46:09,030
sure um yeah so we were out to see one

2855
01:46:14,149 --> 01:46:11,679
time um like i said i was a nazi t so we

2856
01:46:15,350 --> 01:46:14,159
dealt with navigation uh quartermaster

2857
01:46:17,669 --> 01:46:15,360
stuff

2858
01:46:20,709 --> 01:46:17,679
uh electronics uh interior

2859
01:46:23,270 --> 01:46:20,719
communications we really do a lot

2860
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:23,280
on submarines but uh so we were out to

2861
01:46:26,790 --> 01:46:25,520
see on the surface

2862
01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:26,800
and

2863
01:46:31,350 --> 01:46:29,280
our radar starts going crazy i wasn't

2864
01:46:33,109 --> 01:46:31,360
operating it at the time but i had a

2865
01:46:35,750 --> 01:46:33,119
friend that was and i was right there

2866
01:46:38,830 --> 01:46:35,760
next to him and we have all these

2867
01:46:40,629 --> 01:46:38,840
contacts just making crazy

2868
01:46:43,030 --> 01:46:40,639
maneuvers and

2869
01:46:45,510 --> 01:46:43,040
going hundreds of knots and they were

2870
01:46:48,629 --> 01:46:45,520
smaller than i would say normal

2871
01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:51,270
normal contacts i would say but

2872
01:46:55,990 --> 01:46:54,400
i know we were all freaking out and

2873
01:46:58,310 --> 01:46:56,000
in the sale

2874
01:46:59,910 --> 01:46:58,320
nobody in our lookout didn't see

2875
01:47:01,910 --> 01:46:59,920
anything

2876
01:47:03,910 --> 01:47:01,920
so initially we were thinking that

2877
01:47:06,149 --> 01:47:03,920
there's something wrong with the radar

2878
01:47:07,590 --> 01:47:06,159
so everybody in our division was trying

2879
01:47:09,109 --> 01:47:07,600
to figure out

2880
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:09,119
what was wrong

2881
01:47:13,510 --> 01:47:11,280
but obviously they were still trying to

2882
01:47:15,430 --> 01:47:13,520
track all these contacts

2883
01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:15,440
so um

2884
01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:17,760
we get back in court and

2885
01:47:24,310 --> 01:47:21,600
they basically tear apart the radar and

2886
01:47:25,350 --> 01:47:24,320
uh didn't find anything i remember like

2887
01:47:28,550 --> 01:47:25,360
it

2888
01:47:32,149 --> 01:47:28,560
halted some of our underways

2889
01:47:34,550 --> 01:47:32,159
and then uh this video of

2890
01:47:36,550 --> 01:47:34,560
a radar operator

2891
01:47:39,030 --> 01:47:36,560
uh recently got released and that's

2892
01:47:41,510 --> 01:47:39,040
exactly what we saw back in

2893
01:47:45,189 --> 01:47:41,520
2005.

2894
01:47:48,470 --> 01:47:45,199
um so that was one and then another time

2895
01:47:49,590 --> 01:47:48,480
in 2006 i was in a guard shack and

2896
01:47:50,950 --> 01:47:49,600
i was

2897
01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:50,960
i think it was probably four or five

2898
01:47:55,510 --> 01:47:53,040
other navy guys and we were all

2899
01:47:57,830 --> 01:47:55,520
talking about she stories

2900
01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:57,840
and one guy

2901
01:48:01,270 --> 01:48:00,000
said that they tracked something

2902
01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:01,280
underwater

2903
01:48:07,189 --> 01:48:04,880
going unimaginable speech

2904
01:48:09,430 --> 01:48:07,199
and i remember those words exactly

2905
01:48:11,270 --> 01:48:09,440
because a few uh two years ago i

2906
01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:11,280
remember seeing an article that said

2907
01:48:16,310 --> 01:48:14,159
those exact same things and when he told

2908
01:48:18,629 --> 01:48:16,320
us this nobody

2909
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:18,639
nobody could believe him we were asking

2910
01:48:22,790 --> 01:48:20,639
him we asked him if it was like some

2911
01:48:24,310 --> 01:48:22,800
super cavitating torpedo or something

2912
01:48:27,189 --> 01:48:24,320
like that he said no it was going

2913
01:48:29,990 --> 01:48:27,199
hundreds of knots underwater yeah now

2914
01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:30,000
that that story is not uncommon at all

2915
01:48:35,830 --> 01:48:33,040
mark d'antonio friend of mine was uh

2916
01:48:37,510 --> 01:48:35,840
yeah on us up when it was that something

2917
01:48:39,990 --> 01:48:37,520
was detected at several hundred knots

2918
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:40,000
crazy crazy stuff thank you very much

2919
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:42,080
for the call we have um i'm gonna try to

2920
01:48:49,430 --> 01:48:45,520
fit everyone in so theo from the uk

2921
01:48:53,109 --> 01:48:51,189
you there theo

2922
01:48:53,830 --> 01:48:53,119
you're live on the show theo

2923
01:49:12,310 --> 01:48:53,840
hi

2924
01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:12,320
um

2925
01:49:15,189 --> 01:49:13,520
do you think

2926
01:49:17,109 --> 01:49:15,199
with the current

2927
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:17,119
the climate do you think we've already

2928
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:18,960
back engineered these

2929
01:49:24,310 --> 01:49:22,000
these technologies from these craft and

2930
01:49:26,709 --> 01:49:24,320
do we have a space force that is is

2931
01:49:29,109 --> 01:49:26,719
going to other planets bases on

2932
01:49:31,189 --> 01:49:29,119
the moon mars going to other

2933
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:31,199
solar system is do you think that's

2934
01:49:39,189 --> 01:49:36,870
space force

2935
01:49:41,669 --> 01:49:39,199
second quick question okay

2936
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:41,679
president jimmy carter stated that he

2937
01:49:47,189 --> 01:49:44,480
was denied ufo information from ci

2938
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:47,199
director george bush at the time do you

2939
01:49:53,750 --> 01:49:48,560
do you think it's still possible that

2940
01:49:58,310 --> 01:49:55,589
um

2941
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:58,320
i'll answer the second question first

2942
01:50:02,709 --> 01:50:00,080
the president united states if he wants

2943
01:50:04,629 --> 01:50:02,719
ufo information can receive ufo

2944
01:50:07,030 --> 01:50:04,639
information

2945
01:50:09,350 --> 01:50:07,040
sometimes

2946
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:09,360
it's helpful if

2947
01:50:13,669 --> 01:50:12,320
the president says he cannot get it so

2948
01:50:15,189 --> 01:50:13,679
that the

2949
01:50:17,270 --> 01:50:15,199
questions will stop

2950
01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:17,280
it's called top cover you provide the

2951
01:50:22,070 --> 01:50:19,520
president top cover um just say you

2952
01:50:25,109 --> 01:50:22,080
don't we didn't tell you anything

2953
01:50:27,589 --> 01:50:25,119
um so but having said that you know it's

2954
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:27,599
i it's inconceivable that the president

2955
01:50:31,669 --> 01:50:29,280
will be denied anything the president

2956
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:31,679
wants to know if it's within the purview

2957
01:50:35,589 --> 01:50:33,360
of the us government he's the chief

2958
01:50:38,229 --> 01:50:35,599
executive officer of the government

2959
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:38,239
and he has unquestioned the unquestioned

2960
01:50:42,229 --> 01:50:40,560
uh original classification authority uh

2961
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:42,239
the first part of your question about uh

2962
01:50:46,070 --> 01:50:44,080
space force uh space force was created

2963
01:50:49,589 --> 01:50:46,080
after i left cia

2964
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:49,599
but uh i do know that there is one craft

2965
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:50,800
or eight

2966
01:50:56,470 --> 01:50:53,760
series of craft uh flown by the us

2967
01:50:58,790 --> 01:50:56,480
government that is highly compartmented

2968
01:51:01,270 --> 01:50:58,800
that the customer is the national

2969
01:51:03,910 --> 01:51:01,280
geospatial intelligence agency this is

2970
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:03,920
an aerospace not a spacecraft aerospace

2971
01:51:06,629 --> 01:51:05,440
having said that it's something that can

2972
01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:06,639
fly

2973
01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:08,960
uh beyond 50 miles up is considered

2974
01:51:13,350 --> 01:51:11,360
space by the united states it doesn't

2975
01:51:15,109 --> 01:51:13,360
fly to the moon or doesn't go to mars

2976
01:51:17,350 --> 01:51:15,119
but it can't fly and it's an

2977
01:51:19,669 --> 01:51:17,360
extraordinary craft i was never read

2978
01:51:21,589 --> 01:51:19,679
into that program i know it exists

2979
01:51:23,669 --> 01:51:21,599
all right excellent we only have a

2980
01:51:25,750 --> 01:51:23,679
couple minutes left here thank you for

2981
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:25,760
the call of theo we have to move on to

2982
01:51:28,390 --> 01:51:27,679
russell from oregon

2983
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:28,400
so

2984
01:51:43,189 --> 01:51:31,280
russell from oregon you are live on the

2985
01:51:47,109 --> 01:51:45,189
you know there's so many stories like

2986
01:51:50,390 --> 01:51:47,119
the japan airlines

2987
01:51:53,669 --> 01:51:50,400
incident the incident at vanderbilt

2988
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:53,679
the incident of a

2989
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:56,000
iranian

2990
01:51:59,669 --> 01:51:58,080
jet fighter pilot

2991
01:52:01,109 --> 01:51:59,679
where

2992
01:52:03,750 --> 01:52:01,119
supposedly

2993
01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:03,760
government personnel of some sort come

2994
01:52:08,470 --> 01:52:05,520
in and take all the records all of the

2995
01:52:10,070 --> 01:52:08,480
radar records and everything else

2996
01:52:11,990 --> 01:52:10,080
what would you know about that and is

2997
01:52:13,510 --> 01:52:12,000
that cia

2998
01:52:15,510 --> 01:52:13,520
cia doesn't

2999
01:52:17,109 --> 01:52:15,520
and from a foreign country like that

3000
01:52:22,229 --> 01:52:17,119
japan

3001
01:52:23,830 --> 01:52:22,239
take that data alaskan airlines alaskan

3002
01:52:27,750 --> 01:52:23,840
airplanes

3003
01:52:32,950 --> 01:52:27,760
uh japan airlines uh

3004
01:52:37,430 --> 01:52:35,990
if it is a japan airlines craft flies

3005
01:52:39,430 --> 01:52:37,440
the japanese flag

3006
01:52:41,270 --> 01:52:39,440
it belongs to japan and

3007
01:52:43,109 --> 01:52:41,280
nobody in us government has jurisdiction

3008
01:52:45,750 --> 01:52:43,119
over anything

3009
01:52:47,990 --> 01:52:45,760
if it lands in the united states

3010
01:52:50,229 --> 01:52:48,000
or in an airport controlled by the faa

3011
01:52:54,390 --> 01:52:50,239
the faa can definitely take that data

3012
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:55,109
well

3013
01:52:57,830 --> 01:52:56,480
uh you know

3014
01:52:59,669 --> 01:52:57,840
thank you for the thank you very much

3015
01:53:00,629 --> 01:52:59,679
for the call unfortunately we are out of

3016
01:53:03,030 --> 01:53:00,639
time

3017
01:53:04,550 --> 01:53:03,040
so but uh this this hour went very fast

3018
01:53:06,790 --> 01:53:04,560
thanks thanks a lot everyone for your

3019
01:53:08,149 --> 01:53:06,800
calls and cody i know you were next on

3020
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:08,159
on the line and i'm sorry we couldn't

3021
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:11,360
take your call so uh just real quickly

3022
01:53:15,669 --> 01:53:13,360
we only have a minute here what's what's

3023
01:53:17,589 --> 01:53:15,679
next for you john

3024
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:17,599
um

3025
01:53:23,430 --> 01:53:21,199
my my next thing is as i said before i

3026
01:53:24,629 --> 01:53:23,440
i'm trying to get my records my medical

3027
01:53:27,830 --> 01:53:24,639
records

3028
01:53:30,550 --> 01:53:27,840
from cia and so i hope to expand on the

3029
01:53:32,790 --> 01:53:30,560
very controversial slide 54

3030
01:53:35,910 --> 01:53:32,800
and put it in context with sly 53 but i

3031
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:35,920
need my medical records um i want to see

3032
01:53:40,709 --> 01:53:38,320
if cia redacts anything in my medical

3033
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:40,719
record because they examined me why

3034
01:53:44,390 --> 01:53:43,199
would they redact anything

3035
01:53:47,270 --> 01:53:44,400
and so

3036
01:53:49,350 --> 01:53:47,280
i'm hoping to have that released to me

3037
01:53:51,510 --> 01:53:49,360
and from there i can then expand on

3038
01:53:53,669 --> 01:53:51,520
those two slides excellent well we are

3039
01:53:54,950 --> 01:53:53,679
out of time john thank you so much it

3040
01:53:57,109 --> 01:53:54,960
was a real pleasure speaking to you

3041
01:53:58,149 --> 01:53:57,119
tonight thank you thank you

3042
01:53:59,510 --> 01:53:58,159
thank you all right

3043
01:54:01,589 --> 01:53:59,520
all right everyone so

3044
01:54:03,430 --> 01:54:01,599
whoops sorry about that so next week

3045
01:54:06,229 --> 01:54:03,440
we'll be back with uh shane heard from

3046
01:54:08,629 --> 01:54:06,239
arizona and again watch for the clip it

3047
01:54:10,470 --> 01:54:08,639
releases tonight at midnight thanks so

3048
01:54:12,790 --> 01:54:10,480
much everyone and remember to keep your

3049
01:54:15,510 --> 01:54:12,800
eyes to the sky except for the truck

3050
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:15,520
driver